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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
« Reply #120 on: May 18, 2022, 04:06:50 PM »
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  • And Archbishop Vigano… writing like a little leprechaun into the night! 
    Who writes his stuff?  The writing does not match the way he speaks. 

    And writing is really all he’s doing.  And oh, he has such a Hollywood, clandestine cover.
    Hiding from Francis’s mossad henchmen.

    Give me a talking head, who will slam the Jєωs, who will expose Opus judei…

    And give me Bishop who doesn’t write ✍️ but one who ordains priests… to provide the Sacraments to the remnant as the whole world is being genocided.

    I agree with DL that your nonsense borders on slander at this point.

    Lots of people write differently than they speak.  I absolutely do.  And that's especially true when he's not perfectly fluent in English.  He writes his articles typically in Italian and then others translate them.  So I would certainly expect there to be a stylistic difference.  That would be to compare something I might write in English with me standing up there trying to speak Italian.  There would be two completely different products.

    As for going into hiding, I think he has every reason to suspect that the homo maffia will come after him after he exposed their crimes.  There are stories of people who blew the whistle on some Conciliar sodomites who ended up sleeping with the fishes.

    As for writing is all he's doing, his writing is waking up a lot of conservative Novus Ordites, and even Traditional Catholics have received a morale boost due to someone of his stature agreeing that V2 is garbage and needs to be discarded.  See my previous response to 2V about consecrating or ordaining or whatever else he might "do".  You really don't think that ideas and theology matter?  They're everything.  His writing to help clear up minds about the nature of V2 and the crisis are invaluable and do more good than would ordaining more priests.

    Your maniacal rant borders on the insane.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #121 on: May 18, 2022, 04:12:27 PM »
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  • Anyway, your downplaying Fr. Vigano and Putin is just your opinion. Look outside the Alt-Right and you might find it's not really about Russian nationalism.

    No, it's called giving them the benefit of the doubt.  You clowns are making the accusations, so the burden of proof is on you.  In point of fact, you're just pulling these out of your collective asses because you don't like the man.  This has been going on since day one against +Vigano.

    Why is it that the SVs are such assholes?  Makes me think that it's a huge reason so many people stay away from them.  You might do a better job of persuading people you're right if you didn't rip anyone to shreds who didn't measure up to your standards of perfection.  And perhaps +Vigano sees some of your vitriol and animosity toward him.  Why would he want to align himself with that bullshit?

    And I'm going to be very blunt here.  While I understand the theology behind SVism and am sympathetic to it, it's just a simple fact that most SVs are a bunch of bitter assholes ... and a lot of people point that out as your bad fruit.


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #122 on: May 18, 2022, 04:16:05 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, you really do protest too much. How is it that everything you believe fits in so neatly with the Alt-Right/Duginist narrative? Anyone who opposes you is an idiot, a Jєωιѕн shell, a slanderer, and what else? Help us get a list ready so there are fewer surprises when you jump to attack.

    Like Trump, I am sure we will get to the point where you are forced to recognize the reality and might have the opportunity to apologize. I hope we can reach that point and still be online here.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #123 on: May 18, 2022, 04:20:38 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, you really do protest too much. How is it that everything you believe fits in so neatly with the Alt-Right/Duginist narrative? Anyone who opposes you is an idiot, a Jєωιѕн shell, a slanderer, and what else? Help us get a list ready so there are fewer surprises when you jump to attack.

    No, only idiots like you who pull stuff out of your asses and slander people like Archbishop Vigano without a shred of evidence.  You spin together some conspiracy narrative that you then hold up as the yardstick of reality.  You throw idiotic terms out there like "Alt-Right/Duginist" and pretend that merely by hurling the phrase you've uncovered the truth.

    I have yet to see even a shred of proof for your allegations.  That's when it's slander and calumny.

    It's perfectly fine to be cautious, but you cross the line into slander when you present these as fact when they're nothing but the product of your imagination.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #124 on: May 18, 2022, 04:26:05 PM »
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  • Prove it. I don't believe any of it unless you provide evidence. Otherwise its just baseless detraction of the Dimonds, +Vigano and Voris.

    Maybe I'm just going blind here, but this paranoid idea that there is a Jєω or some other agent behind literally everyone is getting tiresome and ridiculous.

    THIS^^^.  Prove your nonsense, or else it's nothing but slander and calumny.


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #125 on: May 18, 2022, 04:26:57 PM »
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  • No, it's called giving them the benefit of the doubt.  You clowns are making the accusations, so the burden of proof is on you.  In point of fact, you're just pulling these out of your collective asses because you don't like the man.  This has been going on since day one against +Vigano.
    It hasn't been done with Fr. Vigano as far as I recall, but you have proven that with Putin we are going to need his 2022 Communist Party card, a detailed genealogy of his Jєωιѕн heritage, a list with photographs and perhaps video of his murder victims, etc. The measure of proof you require honestly doesn't exist, and I think you know that, which is why you are pushing this angle so hard and ignore everything that is offered. It would be nice if we had a simple list of heretics and saboteurs, wouldn't it?

    Why is it that the SVs are such assholes?  Makes me think that it's a huge reason so many people stay away from them.  You might do a better job of persuading people you're right if you didn't rip anyone to shreds who didn't measure up to your standards of perfection.  And perhaps +Vigano sees some of your vitriol and animosity toward him.  Why would he want to align himself with that bullshit?
    I never said I was a SV or anything at all, but I can't stop you from adding what you like to me. Perfection has nothing to do with it, and I doubt Fr. Vigano even has familiarity with a lot of what gets discussed in this corner of the Internet. The Novus Ordites would be a different story.

    And I'm going to be very blunt here.  While I understand the theology behind SVism and am sympathetic to it, it's just a simple fact that most SVs are a bunch of bitter assholes ... and a lot of people point that out as your bad fruit.
    See above. It's possible to disagree and both still be Catholics. I know you are deep into some unpleasant cօռspιʀαcιҽs, and it would be impossible for that to not color your thinking. I don't even think you must mirror my thoughts, but it would be better if you were at least neutral towards people like Putin, etc.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #126 on: May 18, 2022, 04:29:53 PM »
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  • Quote
    You throw idiotic terms out there like "Alt-Right/Duginist" 
    Yeah what does this even mean?  If it was on Tic-Tok, I missed it. 

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #127 on: May 18, 2022, 04:30:29 PM »
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  • No, only idiots like you who pull stuff out of your asses and slander people like Archbishop Vigano without a shred of evidence.  You spin together some conspiracy narrative that you then hold up as the yardstick of reality.  You throw idiotic terms out there like "Alt-Right/Duginist" and pretend that merely by hurling the phrase you've uncovered the truth.

    I have yet to see even a shred of proof for your allegations.  That's when it's slander and calumny.

    It's perfectly fine to be cautious, but you cross the line into slander when you present these as fact when they're nothing but the product of your imagination.
    Ladislaus, are you serious? Are you certain you have read everything that has been presented to you? Your arguments prove that this must be impossible, and you claim everything that is being said is imaginary? What is wrong with you?

    It's not for lack of trying by the opposition that you haven't seen a shred of evidence. Would it take that look to have read some of the previous posts or followed a few links? It could be that you don't want to believe that there is an Alt-Right or that Duginism is a thing, but that is your bias. What you would like to believe doesn't make what they are into something that I invented.

    If you would like to pretend at authority it would be better if you could at least know what your opponents are saying rather than come up with the nonsense in the quote.


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #128 on: May 18, 2022, 04:30:43 PM »
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  • Why would he get consecrated if he hasn't come to the conclusion yet that NO episcopal consecration is doubtful?  And even if he were consecrated, why would he start ordaining priests?  Every flavor of Traditional Catholicism has one or more bishops now that are adequate to serve the needs of the respective groups.  Which group(s) would he ordain for and why?  Should he start his own rival seminary?  In fact, if he did that, I'd be MORE inclined to suspect that he might be controlled opposition.

    As for declaring the See Vacant, while I would love to see him do exactly that, why would he do it if he hasn't come to the conclusion that it's vacant?  In his one letter about Bennyvacantism, he seemed to take the same line as Archbishop Lefebvre that he would need to wait for the Church to officially do that.  [Of course, if he isn't the Church, and Lefebvre wasn't the Church, then who is the Church?  Are we waiting this current gaggle of Modernist Cardinals and Bishops to declare the See vacant?]

    While you're disappointed that he isn't a full-blown sedevacantist yet, that has nothing to do with the current thread of allegations that he's some kind of controlled opposition.
    I too have been wondering who must condemn Bergoglio and declare the seat vacant, but then what is next? How is a new Pope elected or do we just wait for things to resolve in Rome?  This video satisfied my curiosity and doubt about the SSPX's position on calling the Pope a heretic and his removal from office.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #129 on: May 18, 2022, 04:32:58 PM »
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  • It hasn't been done with Fr. Vigano as far as I recall, but you have proven that with Putin we are going to need his 2022 Communist Party card, a detailed genealogy of his Jєωιѕн heritage, a list with photographs and perhaps video of his murder victims, etc. The measure of proof you require honestly doesn't exist, and I think you know that, which is why you are pushing this angle so hard and ignore everything that is offered. It would be nice if we had a simple list of heretics and saboteurs, wouldn't it?

    No, it's not been done with +Vigano at all, and yet that hasn't stopped the slanderers from making accusations.  Even for Putin, there's nothing there that that proves your assertions.  There's enough there to cause someone to question it, but nothing that comes close to evidence or proof of anything.  There's also counter-evidence, which has been presented, but you simply ignore because it doesn't fit with YOUR "narrative".  I'm pushing for truth and for looking objectively at both sides.  I just said that it's perfectly OK to be suspicious, but that's in a completely different league than accusing someone.

    This might be an apt metaphor.  I see a guy show up at my chapel who's got effeminate mannerisms.  So I have my suspicions, keep an eye on him, wouldn't let my children be alone with him, etc.  But it would be quite another thing for me to go around telling people the guy's a sodomite and a pedophile.  That is where you guys cross the line into slander, by presenting your suspicions as if they were fact.  This is exactly what you're doing.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #130 on: May 18, 2022, 06:41:33 PM »
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    Ladislaus, I was deep into the Dissident Right circles years before I became Catholic. You have reacted so strongly that I would have identified you very differently in a non-Catholic setting. I want to think you are intelligent and sincere, but perhaps you are so obtuse due to years of conditioning.

    In my reply what I am referring to is that these people always have consistent alibis and lie constantly. If you want them to confess, that simply isn't likely to happen. There has been research done into Fr. Vigano and if you spent five seconds on Google you might have found signs of it.

    You keep repeating slander and I think you know better. StLouisIX has done a great job on the forums and has a lot more time than I do. I hope you are right about your desire to seek the truth and that we might find a better understanding of one another, if such is the case. A sign of that would be for you to honestly critique a post criticizing Putin the next time it comes up, rather than keeping it all to yourself and assuming we know your mind.


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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #131 on: May 18, 2022, 06:42:30 PM »
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  • The fact is Vigano lied.

    He stated that the pandemic farce would not have taken place under Trump.

    The pandemic farce clearly did take place under Trump.

    That's gaslighting.  Spellcasting.  Lying.




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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #132 on: May 18, 2022, 07:19:34 PM »
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  • Why would he get consecrated if he hasn't come to the conclusion yet that NO episcopal consecration is doubtful?  And even if he were consecrated, why would he start ordaining priests?  Every flavor of Traditional Catholicism has one or more bishops now that are adequate to serve the needs of the respective groups.  Which group(s) would he ordain for and why?  Should he start his own rival seminary?  In fact, if he did that, I'd be MORE inclined to suspect that he might be controlled opposition.

    As for declaring the See Vacant, while I would love to see him do exactly that, why would he do it if he hasn't come to the conclusion that it's vacant?  In his one letter about Bennyvacantism, he seemed to take the same line as Archbishop Lefebvre that he would need to wait for the Church to officially do that.  [Of course, if he isn't the Church, and Lefebvre wasn't the Church, then who is the Church?  Are we waiting this current gaggle of Modernist Cardinals and Bishops to declare the See vacant?]

    While you're disappointed that he isn't a full-blown sedevacantist yet, that has nothing to do with the current thread of allegations that he's some kind of controlled opposition.
    Yet?  I'll believe it when I see it. Quite honestly, I think he'll just continue to write, and write, and write....and then he'll die.  I think too many put too much stock in him.  But I get it...this is what happens when there is no pope.

    By the way, I wasn't trying to push the controlled opposition view because I'm not convinced one way or the other.  He may or may not be....anything is possible. 
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #133 on: May 18, 2022, 07:20:38 PM »
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  • No, it's called giving them the benefit of the doubt.  You clowns are making the accusations, so the burden of proof is on you.  In point of fact, you're just pulling these out of your collective asses because you don't like the man.  This has been going on since day one against +Vigano.

    Why is it that the SVs are such assholes?  Makes me think that it's a huge reason so many people stay away from them.  You might do a better job of persuading people you're right if you didn't rip anyone to shreds who didn't measure up to your standards of perfection.  And perhaps +Vigano sees some of your vitriol and animosity toward him.  Why would he want to align himself with that bullshit?

    And I'm going to be very blunt here.  While I understand the theology behind SVism and am sympathetic to it, it's just a simple fact that most SVs are a bunch of bitter assholes ... and a lot of people point that out as your bad fruit.
    Whoa!  Incredulous is a sedevacantist? In fact, aren't most of the people you're arguing with on this NOT sedevacantist?
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Dimond Brothers on Taylor Marshall
    « Reply #134 on: May 18, 2022, 07:22:26 PM »
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  • It hasn't been done with Fr. Vigano as far as I recall, but you have proven that with Putin we are going to need his 2022 Communist Party card, a detailed genealogy of his Jєωιѕн heritage, a list with photographs and perhaps video of his murder victims, etc. ...
    I just want to point out here that I was saying that no one has gone in-depth on Fr. Vigano on the forum, but I could be wrong. This is not to say that no one outside of the forum has done an examination of Fr. Vigano.