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Offline ByzCat3000

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Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2020, 09:58:13 PM »
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  • They definitely have some good anti prot materials that I will share with the appropriate caveats but on whole they are just way overboard.  

    But this is what happens when you absolutely convince yourself that Lefebvre didn't believe in EENS

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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #16 on: September 12, 2020, 11:19:57 PM »
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  • They definitely have some good anti prot materials that I will share with the appropriate caveats but on whole they are just way overboard.  

    But this is what happens when you absolutely convince yourself that Lefebvre didn't believe in EENS
    Translation:
    The above writer does not believe in EENS as it is written, but in a broadened EENS where Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists, and other false religions can be saved by their belief in a god that rewards. The Dimond's believe in EENS as it is written. The above writer can no longer claim to be ignorant of these basic distinctions, therefore, he is just another EENS sophist.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #17 on: September 13, 2020, 06:25:48 AM »
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  • Holy Family Monastery was founded by Brother Joseph, an old monk, in New Jersey across the river from Philadelphia, PA. There were two young novices. Brother John and Bother Michael. Their apostolate was printing and distributing Catholic leaflets and booklets. Brother Joseph died. Brother Michael had a stronger personality than Brother John. He proclaimed himself superior. Brother John left. He was John Vennari, married, and edited Catholic Family News working with Fr. Gruner until his death.
    Brother Michael sold the very valuable New Jersey property and bought a place in upstate New York. His free-loading brother moved in with him. They kept the name Holy Family Monastery but really are just two good old boys enjoying themselves. They do not accept men who might want to join. There are no postulants or novices allowed. The brother never did a religious novitiate. Since Brother Joseph died it has not been a monastery, except in name.
    It really doesn't matter if they have Jewish ancestry or not if they have converted to the Catholic faith. They are not priests and probably have never had Mass or the sacraments at the "monastery".

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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #18 on: September 13, 2020, 07:04:16 AM »
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  • Or it’s simply a variation of Dimonde.  Nothing to go on here. Dimonde is from the root monde, Latin mundus.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #19 on: September 13, 2020, 12:57:28 PM »
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  • Translation:
    The above writer does not believe in EENS as it is written, but in a broadened EENS where Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists, and other false religions can be saved by their belief in a god that rewards. The Dimond's believe in EENS as it is written. The above writer can no longer claim to be ignorant of these basic distinctions, therefore, he is just another EENS sophist.
    Meh.  You people treat dogmas the way Protestants treat the Bible.  Its the same.  And its just as silly.


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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #20 on: September 13, 2020, 01:07:01 PM »
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  • Meh.  You people treat dogmas the way Protestants treat the Bible.  Its the same.  And its just as silly.
    WARNING- The above writer is a convert, that knows little about Catholicism, a blind guide
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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #21 on: September 13, 2020, 01:28:52 PM »
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  • WARNING- The above writer is a convert, that knows little about Catholicism, a blind guide
    I'm not denying this (the convert part anyway), but like, almost every if not every Traditional priest disagrees with you on this.  Its not like I came up with this interpretation.  

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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #22 on: September 13, 2020, 01:41:12 PM »
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  • Meh.  You people treat dogmas the way Protestants treat the Bible.  Its the same.  And its just as silly.

    That sounds like a Modernist and not like a Catholic.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)


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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #23 on: September 13, 2020, 01:55:24 PM »
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  • Also if the Dimonds stopped at Feeneyite (description, not insult, at least from me) interpretations of BOD, BOB, and Invincible Ignorance, I wouldn't criticize them so harshly.  The reason I really dislike them (though to be clear, that doesn't mean I think we can't take the good and reject the bad) is because they also condemn all the *Catholic* clergy who have ever disagreed with them.  They're schismatics.

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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #24 on: September 13, 2020, 03:30:08 PM »
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  • WARNING- The above writer is a convert, that knows little about Catholicism, a blind guide
    :sleep:
    His position is less extreme than the one taken by Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Williamson, and just about every priest alive(including the SSPX priests you accept communion from). Go condemn them instead of crusading against some layman for following them. 

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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #25 on: September 13, 2020, 04:22:47 PM »
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  • :sleep:
    His position is less extreme than the one taken by Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Williamson, and just about every priest alive(including the SSPX priests you accept communion from). Go condemn them instead of crusading against some layman for following them.
    I hold the same view Archbishop Lefebvre did, not really a less extreme one.  All that being said, if a Pope ever clearly in the future declares ex cathedra, or holds a dogmatic ecumenical council to declare, that there is no salvation without becoming a formal and visible member of the Catholic Church, I would certainly submit to it.  But the bottom line is, if Florence was itself clear on this matter (remember Florence uses the word "outside" which is less specific than "formal and visible member") well then clearly all the Trad clergy missed the memo.  I doubt this.  Seems a lot more likely to me that just Florence/Unam Sanctum/whichever old documents aren't as clear as  Last Tradhican thinks they are.  

    And if I'm really a "new convert who doesn't know anything about Catholicism" (OK maybe) then why in the world should I listen to randoms on Cathinfo over basically every priest in the world, whether Traditionalist or not?  (they all disagree with the Feeneyites here.)

    Now, personally, if somebody wants to disagree with Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Williamson, and "just about every priest alive" and agree with Fr. Feeney instead, perhaps one can do that in good faith.  I'm certainly not going to run around calling those people heretics, because it seems fruitless to me (bigger fish to fry and all that.)  My even bigger issue with the Dimonds isn't so much that they take those positions themselves, but that they also act as though they have the authority to condemn other Catholics for disagreeing with their interpretation of EENS.  That's the *core* issue IMO


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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #26 on: September 13, 2020, 07:15:17 PM »
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  • I have heard it claimed before that the Dimond brothers were Jewish converts but I have never seen any evidence other than their name. I have never seen them talk about their upbringing. The most I have heard is that their parents did not practice any religion, so they may have been atheist Jews. In searching online for info on this topic I found a video of Ibranyi talking about his time at the monastery, which I will watch before I go to bed tonight.

    I think their bio claims the parents were university professors?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #27 on: September 13, 2020, 07:24:08 PM »
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  • Holy Family Monastery was founded by Brother Joseph, an old monk, in New Jersey across the river from Philadelphia, PA. There were two young novices. Brother John and Bother Michael. Their apostolate was printing and distributing Catholic leaflets and booklets. Brother Joseph died. Brother Michael had a stronger personality than Brother John. He proclaimed himself superior. Brother John left. He was John Vennari, married, and edited Catholic Family News working with Fr. Gruner until his death.
    Brother Michael sold the very valuable New Jersey property and bought a place in upstate New York. His free-loading brother moved in with him. They kept the name Holy Family Monastery but really are just two good old boys enjoying themselves. They do not accept men who might want to join. There are no postulants or novices allowed. The brother never did a religious novitiate. Since Brother Joseph died it has not been a monastery, except in name.
    It really doesn't matter if they have Jewish ancestry or not if they have converted to the Catholic faith. They are not priests and probably have never had Mass or the sacraments at the "monastery".


    John Vennari was at this fake monastery for 14 years!  

    Then he goes into the trad publishing business, on the opposite theological side from Dimond.

    He was under the editorial control of Fr. Gruner and had as much influence on Tradition as ten vocal bishops.

    Makes you wonder who's behind it all ? :popcorn:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #28 on: September 14, 2020, 04:16:57 AM »
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  • Incredulous is a Jew! I’m convinced! I have proof! Don’t Jews try to cover their tracks by projecting? Incredulous always tries to convince people on this site that nearly everyone but himself is a Jew. And look at his profile picture.....if that’s not Jewish propaganda, I don’t know what is. How about always using the color blue in his posts? It’s the color of the Zionist controlled UN. As a matter of fact, how about the name “Incredulous” what good Catholic uses a secular non-religious name like that? And aren’t Jews Incredulous? They don’t believe our Lord. 
    That’s what Incredulous means, disbelieving. See how that works Incredulous? 

      :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Dimond Brothers are Jews
    « Reply #29 on: September 14, 2020, 07:39:12 PM »
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  • QVD... you outed me :facepalm:

    Someone finally figured out I was using zionist blue.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


     

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