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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Digital Missionaries earn Vatican's Blessing.
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2026, 06:24:31 AM »
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 "How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

You bolded all the wrong words. Answer this: Who told them to reformulate it so as to change the dogma's  meaning?

Re: Digital Missionaries earn Vatican's Blessing.
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2026, 07:15:50 AM »
You bolded all the wrong words. Answer this: Who told them to reformulate it so as to change the dogma's  meaning?
The Baltimore Catechism teaches the same. Do you condemn Pope Leo XIII as a heretic too, by private interpretation? where would such private interpretation end? You've already concluded the entire hierarchy can defect into heresy, which is itself heretical. But do you know that Vatican I says that (1) the True Church will always have "astonishing propagation which means Numerical Increase is included and (2) "inexhaustible fertility in every good work" which means running countless Charities, Hospitals, Soup Kitchens, caring for the Poor etc, just like Our Lord Jesus Christ commanded, as Necessary for Salvation, in Matthew 25:31-46, as He later would command the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19-20, to Evangelize and Baptize all Pagans and Non-Christians everywhere. Before I answer you, can you tell me how you answer that Text from Vatican I? Next, here is the Baltimore Catechism: when can we see you, Stubborn, claiming Pope Leo XIII was no less a heretic (according to you) than Pope John Paul II on this issue, since, according to you, they both taught the same heretical doctrine.

"https://classicalliberalarts.com/thl-211-baltimore-catechism-ii/baltimore-catechism-ii-lesson-21-on-the-church/
121 Q. Are all bound to belong to the Church?
A. All are bound to belong to the Church, and he who knows the Church to be the true Church and remains out of it, cannot be saved.

Anyone who knows the Catholic religion to be the true religion and will not embrace it cannot enter into Heaven. If one not a Catholic doubts whether the church to which he belongs is the true Church, he must settle his doubt, seek the true Church, and enter it; for if he continues to live in doubt, he becomes like the one who knows the true Church and is deterred by worldly considerations from entering it.

In like manner one who, doubting, fears to examine the religion he professes lest he should discover its falsity and be convinced of the truth of the Catholic faith, cannot be saved.

Suppose, however, that there is a non-Catholic who firmly believes that the church to which he belongs is the true Church, and who has never–even in the past–had the slightest doubt of that fact–what will become of him?

If he was validly baptized and never committed a mortal sin, he will be saved; because, believing himself a member of the true Church, he was doing all he could to serve God according to his knowledge and the dictates of his conscience. But if ever he committed a mortal sin, his salvation would be very much more difficult. A mortal sin once committed remains on the soul till it is forgiven. Now, how could his mortal sin be forgiven? Not in the Sacrament of Penance, for the Protestant does not go to confession; and if he does, his minister–not being a true priest–has no power to forgive sins. Does he know that without confession it requires an act of perfect contrition to blot out mortal sin, and can he easily make such an act? What we call contrition is often only imperfect contrition–that is, sorrow for our sins because we fear their punishment in Hell or dread the loss of Heaven. If a Catholic–with all the instruction he has received about how to make an act of perfect contrition and all the practice he has had in making such acts–might find it difficult to make an act of perfect contrition after having committed a mortal sin, how much difficulty will not a Protestant have in making an act of perfect contrition, who does not know about this requirement and who has not been taught to make continued acts of perfect contrition all his life. It is to be feared either he would not know of this necessary means of regaining God’s friendship, or he would be unable to elicit the necessary act of perfect contrition, and thus the mortal sin would remain upon his soul and he would die an enemy of God.

If, then, we found a Protestant who never committed a mortal sin after Baptism, and who never had the slightest doubt about the truth of his religion, that person would be saved; because, being baptized, he is a member of the Church, and being free from mortal sin he is a friend of God and could not in justice be condemned to Hell. Such a person would attend Mass and receive the Sacraments if he knew the Catholic Church to be the only true Church.

I am giving you an example, however, that is rarely found, except in the case of infants or very small children baptized in Protestant sects. All infants rightly baptized by anyone are really children of the Church, no matter what religion their parents may profess. Indeed, all persons who are baptized are children of the Church; but those among them who deny its teaching, reject its Sacraments, and refuse to submit to its lawful pastors, are rebellious children known as heretics.

I said I gave you an example that can scarcely be found, namely, of a person not a Catholic, who really never doubted the truth of his religion, and who, moreover, never committed during his whole life a mortal sin. There are so few such persons that we can practically say for all those who are not visibly members of the Catholic Church, believing its doctrines, receiving its Sacraments, and being governed by its visible head, our Holy Father, the Pope, salvation is an extremely difficult matter.

I do not speak here of pagans who have never heard of Our Lord or His holy religion, but of those outside the Church who claim to be good Christians without being members of the Catholic Church."




Offline Stubborn

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Re: Digital Missionaries earn Vatican's Blessing.
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2026, 07:58:43 AM »
First Vatican Council condemns "reformulating positively:"

"Hence, too,that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and here must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding."

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Digital Missionaries earn Vatican's Blessing.
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2026, 11:11:55 AM »
First, you have no proof that I am Xavier. It's simply your opinion. Secondly, I am an Indult Traditional Catholic. 

I call everyone's attention to this non-denial.

I also call attention to the fact that if he weren't Xavier Nishant, he would have responded something along the lines of "... you have no proof that I am THIS Xavier".  Or, "I have no idea who this Xavier is."  He simply says "... I am Xavier" (as if he's familiar with Xavier).

Indeed, I have no proof, and it is my opinion / suspicion.  But just because I have no proof, that doesn't mean it isn't true.

Are you the poster who's been here before under one or another similar names: Nishant, Xavier, Xavier Nishant, Xavier Sem, etc. ?

Offline Gray2023

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Re: Digital Missionaries earn Vatican's Blessing.
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2026, 03:17:36 PM »
The thing is that lay people were never permitted to preach or author theological writings or books - until V2. But now, as the OP shows, NO lay theologians are all over the place leading souls to all the wrong places, i.e. your "stepping stones."   
They were led to the wrong places by V2.  Around the 2000, 40 years after V2, converts started using these stepping stones to come back to Truth.  Don't mix up the first 40 years with the last 20 years.