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Offline SJB

Yet another ignorant comment about SVs
« Reply #95 on: November 07, 2013, 06:07:37 PM »
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Quote from: Ladislaus
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The true opinion is the fifth.


That's your opinion.

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There are in fact quite a few serious problem with "the fifth".


It's the teaching of Bellarmine, a doctor of the Church and the teaching of all the ancient Church Fathers.

Funny that you've claimed for years to know something about the "fifth opinion" but have NEVER elaborated on it in any manner.


Well Ladislaus, you once told me you had the "real" translation of Bellarmine in your basement packed away. I've never seen or heard anything to substantiate your hidden knowledge concerning On The Roman Pontiff although you keep making reference to it.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Yet another ignorant comment about SVs
« Reply #96 on: November 07, 2013, 07:59:06 PM »
I just haven't had time to discuss this fifth opinion.  I'll get back to it after I put my kids to bed.

In summary, though, it's not just about my own personal arguments; the fact that there are FOUR other opinions held by well-educated reputable theologians by itself and prima facie indicates that this subject is not as obvious and as straightforward as most sedevacantists would have it be.  So, for instance, it's not a unanimous consensus of the Fathers.  What's the unanimous consensus of the Fathers is simply the MAJOR of St. Robert Bellarmine's argument, i.e. that a heretic is not a Catholic.  But there many other nuances, distinctions, and problems in play here.  It's NOT as simple and obvious as most sedevacantists portray it.

And, mind you, that perspective comes from a person (namely, myself) who leans strongly sedevacantist.
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Offline 2Vermont

Yet another ignorant comment about SVs
« Reply #97 on: November 08, 2013, 03:58:01 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus
I just haven't had time to discuss this fifth opinion.  I'll get back to it after I put my kids to bed.

In summary, though, it's not just about my own personal arguments; the fact that there are FOUR other opinions held by well-educated reputable theologians by itself and prima facie indicates that this subject is not as obvious and as straightforward as most sedevacantists would have it be.  So, for instance, it's not a unanimous consensus of the Fathers.  What's the unanimous consensus of the Fathers is simply the MAJOR of St. Robert Bellarmine's argument, i.e. that a heretic is not a Catholic.  But there many other nuances, distinctions, and problems in play here.  It's NOT as simple and obvious as most sedevacantists portray it.

And, mind you, that perspective comes from a person (namely, myself) who leans strongly sedevacantist.


So I see you have posted in other threads since this post.  Could you elaborate now?
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