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Offline Merry

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Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
« on: September 24, 2019, 08:53:56 PM »
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    • It is known for sure if Card. Siri ever said the New Mass or not?
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #1 on: September 24, 2019, 09:43:15 PM »
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    • He is said to have been repentant near the end of his life.



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    Church Revolution in Pictures
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    Cardinal Siri saying the New Mass
    Some traditionalists pretend that Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, Archbishop of Genoa (1946-1987), never compromised with Progressivism. As a contribution to clarify this untruth, we present here some photos of the Cardinal saying the New Mass in different cities of his Archdiocese.

    Above, he chose a simple altar turned to the people to say the Novus Ordo Mass at the church in Udine; below, first row, he concelebrates with John Paul II at an outdoor New Mass said in Genoa during the papal visit in 1985; second row, Card. Siri exchanges the embrace of peace with Msgr. Barabino during a New Mass said in Bobbio. 
     
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    Posted October 23, 2011
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2019, 09:56:03 PM »
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    • At times I feel like that whole "Card. Siri Theory" was made up by the modernists after Vatican II to make the Traditional Catholics feel good about themselves.
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2019, 10:02:51 PM »
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    • Saw all that, Incredulous, but it wasn't clear enough.  Hoped someone knew something for sure, and independent of the source you provided.  Thank you, though.

    Someone writing a book needs real confirmation on this point.   :jumping2:
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2019, 11:01:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: monka966 on September 24, 2019, 09:56:03 PM
    At times I feel like that whole "Card. Siri Theory" was made up by the modernists after Vatican II to make the Traditional Catholics feel good about themselves.
    5 mins of flowing white smoke is not 'made up'.... :cheers:
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2019, 11:09:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: monka966 on September 24, 2019, 09:56:03 PM
    At times I feel like that whole "Card. Siri Theory" was made up by the modernists after Vatican II to make the Traditional Catholics feel good about themselves.
    Do you feel you can explain this feeling?
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #6 on: September 25, 2019, 05:45:02 AM »
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    • Cardinal Siri’s life was a Catholic drama.


    He was elected pope, although suspect historians like Fr. Malachi Martin say he refused to be pope.   But Martin couldn’t explain why he took the papal name of Gregory XVI?


    Of course, Siri capitulated, intimidated and overwhelmed by the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic coupe d’tat taking place at the conclave.


    He was humanly weak and caved-in to the intimidation, as the most unlikely candidate, Roncali, a known freemason took the seat.


    The hidden history of the Cardinal’s late life conversion is the most hopeful part.  
    When confronted by a Vietnamese priest, he admitted to his failings.

    I don’t think any modernist wants to admit to Card. Siri’s papal removal.  It would de-legitimize their great Saint John XXIII.


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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #7 on: September 25, 2019, 06:11:32 AM »
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    • Correction:  I believe Cardinal Siri took the name of Gregory XVII.
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #8 on: September 25, 2019, 09:46:09 AM »
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    • I myself find the evidence for the "Siri Theory" to be strong and convincing ... and of course it helps to explain the mess we're in with Vatican II.
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #9 on: September 25, 2019, 11:01:16 AM »
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    • Di HE say the New Mass?  Did he keep Genoa "Novus Ordo free" ??
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #10 on: September 25, 2019, 11:06:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on September 25, 2019, 11:01:16 AM
    Di HE say the New Mass?  Did he keep Genoa "Novus Ordo free" ??

    Yes, he said the NOM.  No he did not keep Genoa NOM-free.  That was addressed by a post very early on in this thread.  What point are you trying to make?
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #11 on: September 25, 2019, 12:11:36 PM »
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    • I had seen that earlier info posted already, as I said to Incred. It was from TIA.  Needed another source for information if there was any out there.  Not trying to be obtuse.   
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #12 on: September 25, 2019, 03:45:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on September 25, 2019, 12:11:36 PM
    I had seen that earlier info posted already, as I said to Incred. It was from TIA.  Needed another source for information if there was any out there.  Not trying to be obtuse.  
    But doesn't the (first) picture say it all (regardless of the source)?  That's clearly not the Traditional Mass.  
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #13 on: September 25, 2019, 05:07:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 25, 2019, 03:45:37 PM
    But doesn't the (first) picture say it all (regardless of the source)?  That's clearly not the Traditional Mass.  

    It's certainly unlikely to be the Traditional Mass, but at one point some of the customs were introduced, such as facing the people, using the table, etc.  Even Padre Pio was made to offer the (Tridentine) Mass that way once.  This reportedly caused him much grief.  But it's rather certain that Cardinal Siri offered the NOM; otherwise, the contrary would have been well publicized.
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    Re: Did Cardinal Siri say the New Mass?
    « Reply #14 on: September 25, 2019, 05:39:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on September 25, 2019, 11:01:16 AM
    Di HE say the New Mass?  Did he keep Genoa "Novus Ordo free" ??

    I have one obscure anecdote for you.


    A 90 year old Italian, from Genoa, an Augustinian priest, who celebrated only the Tridentine Mass, commented when asked about him.


    He advised that he wasn’t liked by his fellow countrymen, especially in Genoa.
    The priest did not elaborate and has since died. What did this mean, I’ll never know?


    I Could only surmise that it meant that he had been maligned by his modernist Roman fratres so as to dissuade Italians from thinking he was worthy of the Seat.


    After all, he was in contention for the papacy three times in his life.
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