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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Merry on September 24, 2019, 08:53:56 PM
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It is known for sure if Card. Siri ever said the New Mass or not?
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He is said to have been repentant near the end of his life.
Link (https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A440-Siri-1.htm)
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(https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(401-500)/440_Siri-2.jpg)
Cardinal Siri saying the New Mass
Some traditionalists pretend that Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, Archbishop of Genoa (1946-1987), never compromised with Progressivism. As a contribution to clarify this untruth, we present here some photos of the Cardinal saying the New Mass in different cities of his Archdiocese.
Above, he chose a simple altar turned to the people to say the Novus Ordo Mass at the church in Udine; below, first row, he concelebrates with John Paul II at an outdoor New Mass said in Genoa during the papal visit in 1985; second row, Card. Siri exchanges the embrace of peace with Msgr. Barabino during a New Mass said in Bobbio.
(https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(401-500)/440_Siri-1.jpg) (https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(401-500)/440_Siri-4.jpg)
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Posted October 23, 2011
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At times I feel like that whole "Card. Siri Theory" was made up by the modernists after Vatican II to make the Traditional Catholics feel good about themselves.
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Saw all that, Incredulous, but it wasn't clear enough. Hoped someone knew something for sure, and independent of the source you provided. Thank you, though.
Someone writing a book needs real confirmation on this point. :jumping2:
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At times I feel like that whole "Card. Siri Theory" was made up by the modernists after Vatican II to make the Traditional Catholics feel good about themselves.
5 mins of flowing white smoke is not 'made up'.... :cheers:
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At times I feel like that whole "Card. Siri Theory" was made up by the modernists after Vatican II to make the Traditional Catholics feel good about themselves.
Do you feel you can explain this feeling?
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Cardinal Siri’s life was a Catholic drama.
He was elected pope, although suspect historians like Fr. Malachi Martin say he refused to be pope. But Martin couldn’t explain why he took the papal name of Gregory XVI?
Of course, Siri capitulated, intimidated and overwhelmed by the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic coupe d’tat taking place at the conclave.
He was humanly weak and caved-in to the intimidation, as the most unlikely candidate, Roncali, a known freemason took the seat.
The hidden history of the Cardinal’s late life conversion is the most hopeful part.
When confronted by a Vietnamese priest, he admitted to his failings.
I don’t think any modernist wants to admit to Card. Siri’s papal removal. It would de-legitimize their great Saint John XXIII.
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Correction: I believe Cardinal Siri took the name of Gregory XVII.
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I myself find the evidence for the "Siri Theory" to be strong and convincing ... and of course it helps to explain the mess we're in with Vatican II.
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Di HE say the New Mass? Did he keep Genoa "Novus Ordo free" ??
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Di HE say the New Mass? Did he keep Genoa "Novus Ordo free" ??
Yes, he said the NOM. No he did not keep Genoa NOM-free. That was addressed by a post very early on in this thread. What point are you trying to make?
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I had seen that earlier info posted already, as I said to Incred. It was from TIA. Needed another source for information if there was any out there. Not trying to be obtuse.
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I had seen that earlier info posted already, as I said to Incred. It was from TIA. Needed another source for information if there was any out there. Not trying to be obtuse.
But doesn't the (first) picture say it all (regardless of the source)? That's clearly not the Traditional Mass.
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But doesn't the (first) picture say it all (regardless of the source)? That's clearly not the Traditional Mass.
It's certainly unlikely to be the Traditional Mass, but at one point some of the customs were introduced, such as facing the people, using the table, etc. Even Padre Pio was made to offer the (Tridentine) Mass that way once. This reportedly caused him much grief. But it's rather certain that Cardinal Siri offered the NOM; otherwise, the contrary would have been well publicized.
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Di HE say the New Mass? Did he keep Genoa "Novus Ordo free" ??
I have one obscure anecdote for you.
A 90 year old Italian, from Genoa, an Augustinian priest, who celebrated only the Tridentine Mass, commented when asked about him.
He advised that he wasn’t liked by his fellow countrymen, especially in Genoa.
The priest did not elaborate and has since died. What did this mean, I’ll never know?
I Could only surmise that it meant that he had been maligned by his modernist Roman fratres so as to dissuade Italians from thinking he was worthy of the Seat.
After all, he was in contention for the papacy three times in his life.
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Incredulous, there is a quote from a progressive seminarian who was under Siri, and he says Siri told these seminarians to not ever say the New Mass in his diocese. If such came to pass, would we not have heard - as in Campos?
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I believe it is highly likely that Cardinal Siri was elected initially, then made to stand down, then made to acknowledge the VII Popes and Mass. Most of the issues lay with the desire to pin an entire alternate Papacy on this man, when his own public actions do not allow for it. I think he is a very honorable figure, don't get me wrong. There is just too much of an urge to create something out of nothing. The Siri Thesis, similar to the Benedict Option, creates Popes so unimaginably subservient to the point of betrayal that the very impetus for their existence is destroyed, given everything we know now, a posteriori. We are all under siege and there is no easy out. All I know, hope and pray for is the promised top-down solution.
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Cardinal Siri (Pope Gregory XVII) was under constant threats and intimidation for 30 years by the freemasons. He was forced to do what they told him to do. St. Thomas Aquinas said "in order to constitute a genuine act of the will the act must be performed spontaneously [freely] without constraint or force (and that) man can be coerced or forced to do something against his will in two ways: by violence and by fear (VI. 4, 5,6). That which is done under exterior violence is wholly involuntary (VI. 5).
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Cardinal Siri (Pope Gregory XVII) was under constant threats and intimidation for 30 years by the freemasons. He was forced to do what they told him to do. St. Thomas Aquinas said "in order to constitute a genuine act of the will the act must be performed spontaneously [freely] without constraint or force (and that) man can be coerced or forced to do something against his will in two ways: by violence and by fear (VI. 4, 5,6). That which is done under exterior violence is wholly involuntary (VI. 5).
Reminds me of the Bennyvacantists and his so-called invalid resignation.