Author Topic: Did Bellarmine Condemn Sedevacantism? (Read 3660 times)

SJB · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2012, 10:11:17 PM »

Quote from: Fr.Cekada article

II. Bellarmine teaches that a heretical pope automatically loses his office.

In the chapter which immediately follows the passage cited, St. Robert Bellarmine treats the following question: “Whether a heretical pope can be deposed.” Note first, by the way, that his question assumes a pope can in fact become a heretic.

Of course, Bellarmine also held (as probable and easily defended) that a pope could never become a heretic. Only because it was not certain, did he treat the question at all. Fr. Cekada should have said this in his article, but didn't for some reason. When he was asked about it, he didn't respond as a far as I am aware.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2012, 10:53:46 AM »

I believe I read somewhere in Fenton that the majority of theologians believe a valid Pope could teach heresy to a private group and ultimately become a public heretic if that group spread that he taught heresy and he did not recant. I could be wrong. A valid Pope wouldn't and couldn't do what we have seen obviously.

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2012, 12:35:22 PM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

I believe I read somewhere in Fenton that the majority of theologians believe a valid Pope could teach heresy to a private group and ultimately become a public heretic if that group spread that he taught heresy and he did not recant. I could be wrong. A valid Pope wouldn't and couldn't do what we have seen obviously.

Malleus: It is on that particular Point that I am a Sedevacantist. Not to say I dont respect the Cassiacuм Thesis , but for me , I cannot get past that point. Especially when we study Vatican Council I - it is difficult for me to believe that a POPE Would ever knowingly teach Heresy time after time after time and with his advanced Education level - B 16 cannot claim it is being done , unknowingly.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2012, 12:50:04 PM »

In my unschooled opinion. On the Cassiacuм theses, they seem to put to much emphasis on the imposter heretics (I speak of the "pope" and bishops) actually holding office. I believe this comes from an exaggerated understanding of the visibility of the Church. This is where that whole debate on jurisdiction comes in. I believe the Church is visible in her valid bishops whether they have ordinary jurisdiction or not.

Canute · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2012, 03:00:12 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Fr.Cekada article
II. Bellarmine teaches that a heretical pope automatically loses his office.

In the chapter which immediately follows the passage cited, St. Robert Bellarmine treats the following question: “Whether a heretical pope can be deposed.” Note first, by the way, that his question assumes a pope can in fact become a heretic.

Of course, Bellarmine also held (as probable and easily defended) that a pope could never become a heretic. Only because it was not certain, did he treat the question at all. Fr. Cekada should have said this in his article, but didn't for some reason. When he was asked about it, he didn't respond as a far as I am aware.

I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that Father Cekada was somehow dishonest, SJB! :wink: