Author Topic: Did Abp. Thuc knowingly consecrate Jean Laborie? (Read 9461 times)

Ambrose · « **Reply #30 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:32:39 PM »

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What is insane is how the sedevacantsists white wash Abp. Thuc. Fr. Cekada to this day is still conjuring up new reasons for dismissing any charges(appreciating "Thuc's egalitarianism"). New comers to tradition need to be aware of this.

Newcomers, old-timers alike, need to know what a dangerous situation they have chosen if they think the SSPV cult is safer than their current chapel or parish.

I hope I may be forgiven for observing that you seem to also believe that a crusade against Archbishop Thuc is necessary in order to be a Catholic properly disposed to receive Holy Communion.

Elizabeth,

You are doing a great service and a work of charity to innocent Catholics by warning them about this cult. SSPV needs to be publicly denounced for their schismatic crimes against the unity of the Church.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #31 on:** July 30, 2014, 08:41:39 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: Elizabeth
Quote from: + PG +
What is insane is how the sedevacantsists white wash Abp. Thuc. Fr. Cekada to this day is still conjuring up new reasons for dismissing any charges(appreciating "Thuc's egalitarianism"). New comers to tradition need to be aware of this.

Newcomers, old-timers alike, need to know what a dangerous situation they have chosen if they think the SSPV cult is safer than their current chapel or parish.

I hope I may be forgiven for observing that you seem to also believe that a crusade against Archbishop Thuc is necessary in order to be a Catholic properly disposed to receive Holy Communion.

Elizabeth,

You are doing a great service and a work of charity to innocent Catholics by warning them about this cult. SSPV needs to be publicly denounced for their schismatic crimes against the unity of the Church.

Yes, for that and their denial of EENS; they have gone so far as to refuse a so-called "Feeneyite" the Last Sacraments. Yet Bishop Mendez's secretary was an open "Feeneyite" and they had absolutely no problem with her.

Ambrose · « **Reply #32 on:** July 30, 2014, 09:00:20 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Elizabeth
Quote from: + PG +
What is insane is how the sedevacantsists white wash Abp. Thuc. Fr. Cekada to this day is still conjuring up new reasons for dismissing any charges(appreciating "Thuc's egalitarianism"). New comers to tradition need to be aware of this.

Newcomers, old-timers alike, need to know what a dangerous situation they have chosen if they think the SSPV cult is safer than their current chapel or parish.

I hope I may be forgiven for observing that you seem to also believe that a crusade against Archbishop Thuc is necessary in order to be a Catholic properly disposed to receive Holy Communion.

Elizabeth,

You are doing a great service and a work of charity to innocent Catholics by warning them about this cult. SSPV needs to be publicly denounced for their schismatic crimes against the unity of the Church.

Yes, for that and their denial of EENS; they have gone so far as to refuse a so-called "Feeneyite" the Last Sacraments. Yet Bishop Mendez's secretary was an open "Feeneyite" and they had absolutely no problem with her.

Their defense of EENS which includes Baptism of Desire is one of their good points, and I would never criticize them on that.

Regarding the denial of the last sacraments, most Feeneyites I know are not the brightest bulbs, and are ignorant of the fact that they are heretics. The priest should be very cautious before denying them sacraments. Pertinacity must be clear and evident that they understand that they are adhering to heresy.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #33 on:** July 31, 2014, 06:22:38 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Elizabeth
Quote from: + PG +
What is insane is how the sedevacantsists white wash Abp. Thuc. Fr. Cekada to this day is still conjuring up new reasons for dismissing any charges(appreciating "Thuc's egalitarianism"). New comers to tradition need to be aware of this.

Newcomers, old-timers alike, need to know what a dangerous situation they have chosen if they think the SSPV cult is safer than their current chapel or parish.

I hope I may be forgiven for observing that you seem to also believe that a crusade against Archbishop Thuc is necessary in order to be a Catholic properly disposed to receive Holy Communion.

Elizabeth,

You are doing a great service and a work of charity to innocent Catholics by warning them about this cult. SSPV needs to be publicly denounced for their schismatic crimes against the unity of the Church.

Yes, for that and their denial of EENS; they have gone so far as to refuse a so-called "Feeneyite" the Last Sacraments. Yet Bishop Mendez's secretary was an open "Feeneyite" and they had absolutely no problem with her.

Their defense of EENS which includes Baptism of Desire is one of their good points, and I would never criticize them on that.

Regarding the denial of the last sacraments, most Feeneyites I know are not the brightest bulbs, and are ignorant of the fact that they are heretics. The priest should be very cautious before denying them sacraments. Pertinacity must be clear and evident that they understand that they are adhering to heresy.

Also are the Feeneyites going to be handing out pamphlets to the parishioners indoctrinating them in their heresies? If so they would not be even welcome in my chapel. But if I were a priest, apart from the above mentioned case, I would not deny them the Sacraments during these confusing times.

If real publicly known feeneyites were scandalizing my parishioners merely by receiving the Sacraments I would have to look into that as well.

Anyone know the best way to handle such a situation?

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #34 on:** July 31, 2014, 06:24:18 AM »

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What is insane is how the sedevacantsists white wash Abp. Thuc. Fr. Cekada to this day is still conjuring up new reasons for dismissing any charges(appreciating "Thuc's egalitarianism"). New comers to tradition need to be aware of this.

Again it is not about "whitewashing" it is whether the consecrations were valid or not.

The case is closed. You can add all the emotional jargon to it you want but it will not change the facts which is all we are concerned about here.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #35 on:** July 31, 2014, 06:28:32 AM »

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Elizabeth - you are deceitful. The cmri brought their founder to court and sued him. That was only after they were compromised for following a psuedo pope sɛҳuąƖly abusive druggy cult leader. Watch the what catholics believe episode on apb. Lefebvre. In it they say nothing but good things about his character.

I have never known Elizabeth to be deceitful. You imply that she is knowingly dishonest. I dispute that strongly. I have seen how she conducts herself over several years here and on the Bellarmine forums and I would describe her as an honest woman who appears to be genuinely humble and a woman of integrity.

If the Feeneyites had her humility, integrity, sincerity and knowledge they would not be a black blotch on this forum.

JPaul · « **Reply #36 on:** July 31, 2014, 08:07:41 AM »

LoT,

Quote

If the Feeneyites had her humility, integrity, sincerity and knowledge they would not be a black blotch on this forum.

:roll-laugh1:

..........you know....pots, kettles, black, and all of that............ :roll-laugh2:

Elizabeth · « **Reply #37 on:** July 31, 2014, 10:49:11 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Yes, for that and their denial of EENS; they have gone so far as to refuse a so-called "Feeneyite" the Last Sacraments. Yet Bishop Mendez's secretary was an open "Feeneyite" and they had absolutely no problem with her.

Yep. Bishop Mendez's secretary was a means to an end, and an example of the way the SSPV enforce the rules they invented.

PG · « **Reply #38 on:** July 31, 2014, 12:18:34 PM »

Let me pull and ambrose on you here. "I would like to see a hand written statement by Bp. Mendez's secretary where she states that she is a feeneyite".

This Feeneyite EENS controversy needs be dealt with very carefully. I am in no way a feeneyite, but it is an error to believe that one can be saved "in" other religions. Today, unfortunately, I think that I could be mistaken for a feeneyite because I blow the EENS trumpet. So, I have reservations on this subject, along with claims that are made.

Ambrose · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2014, 12:59:06 PM »

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Let me pull and ambrose on you here. "I would like to see a hand written statement by Bp. Mendez's secretary where she states that she is a feeneyite".

This Feeneyite EENS controversy needs be dealt with very carefully. I am in no way a feeneyite, but it is an error to believe that one can be saved "in" other religions. Today, unfortunately, I think that I could be mistaken for a feeneyite because I blow the EENS trumpet. So, I have reservations on this subject, along with claims that are made.

There is no salvation outside the Church, ever. There is no salvation through false religions, ever.

There is Baptism of Desire, to deny that is heresy.

There is no contradiction between these teachings as the Feeneyites pretend.

PG · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2014, 06:42:46 PM »

Ambrose - Don't use my name or my posts in vain. When I say reservations, I mean reservations about whether Bp. Mendez's secretary was really a "feeneyite". I have no reservations about BoD. There are a lot of feeneyites who claim not to be feeneyits by what they say and what they will not say under examination. These are the types of cases that need to be reserved to a competent authority. These disguised feeneyites should be refused communion, but the final verdict doesn't come from what a priest does or doesn't do.

Ambrose · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2014, 08:19:03 PM »

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Ambrose - Don't use my name or my posts in vain. When I say reservations, I mean reservations about whether Bp. Mendez's secretary was really a "feeneyite". I have no reservations about BoD. There are a lot of feeneyites who claim not to be feeneyits by what they say and what they will not say under examination. These are the types of cases that need to be reserved to a competent authority. These disguised feeneyites should be refused communion, but the final verdict doesn't come from what a priest does or doesn't do.

I was making a general statement from thoughts on your post, and it did not mention your name.

I try not to talk to you ever since I learned that you are a schismatic, having cut yourself off from Pope Pius XII in 1951.

Generally, I try to avoid both heretics and schismatics.

s2srea · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2014, 08:27:02 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

The CMRI never talks like this. They are to busy caring about people's salvation, making endless sacrifices driving all across the country, flying to other countries, visiting the sick and dying, operating countless schools to educate future Catholics, etc,

As a non Sedevecantist, who has attended CMRI services for about the past year, more or less, I can attest to this statement.

The issue at hand, the OP, stinks of malice.

PG · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2014, 08:41:55 PM »

s2srea - the silence is deafening. And, my OP was a "response"(not malice) from earlier discussions. It is there to read.

PG · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2014, 08:44:23 PM »