Author Topic: denzinger 2232 casti connubii section meaning (Read 4566 times)

PG · « **on:** August 01, 2015, 12:44:45 AM »

Near the end of dz 2232 casti connubii says "this mutual interior formation of husband and wife, this constant zeal for bringing each other to perfection, in a very true sense, as the roman catechism teaches, can be said to be the very first reason and purpose of matrimony; if, however, matrimony be not accepted too narrowly as instituted for the proper procreation and education of children, but more broadly as the mutual participation in all life, companionship, and association."

What exactly is this saying? This is under the section speaking about the blessings of marriage. And, this is under blessing number two, which is the "blessing of faith".

Nadir · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2015, 06:10:16 AM »

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What exactly is this saying? This is under the section speaking about the blessings of marriage. And, this is under blessing number two, which is the "blessing of faith".

PG, I am not familiar with Denzinger. I have searched the Encyclical Casti Conubii http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii.html and have been unable to find this quote, so I presume it is commentary on the encyclical,which is arranged in 130 paragraphs with no other sections or headings.

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Near the end of dz 2232 casti connubii says "this mutual interior formation of husband and wife, this constant zeal for bringing each other to perfection, in a very true sense, as the roman catechism teaches, can be said to be the very first reason and purpose of matrimony;

This part is saying that Marriage has as its first aim the sanctification of the spouses.

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if, however, matrimony be not accepted too narrowly as instituted for the proper procreation and education of children, but more broadly as the mutual participation in all life, companionship, and association."

This is not a complete sentence, as one would expect after a semi-colon. Is there a typing error?

I realise now that the original would have to be in German and it must be a translation, which might account for the strange wording.

Jaynek · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2015, 09:22:21 AM »

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What exactly is this saying? This is under the section speaking about the blessings of marriage. And, this is under blessing number two, which is the "blessing of faith".

PG, I am not familiar with Denzinger. I have searched the Encyclical Casti Conubii http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii.html and have been unable to find this quote, so I presume it is commentary on the encyclical,which is arranged in 130 paragraphs with no other sections or headings.

I found it at the link you gave. It was paragraph 24:

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24. This mutual molding of husband and wife, this determined effort to perfect each other, can in a very real sense, as the Roman Catechism teaches, be said to be the chief reason and purpose of matrimony, provided matrimony be looked at not in the restricted sense as instituted for the proper conception and education of the child, but more widely as the blending of life as a whole and the mutual interchange and sharing thereof.

I came across this other day and I was wondering about it too. How do we reconcile it with the teaching that procreation of children is the primary end of marriage?

PG · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2015, 12:15:06 PM »

Jaynek - that is why I posted this. It sounds as if it is saying that the procreating of children is not the primary end(purpose/reason, whatever word you want to use) of marriage. It proposes the correct formula very clearly in many places. But, then it also says this.

Trads emphasize what is now the reversal of those two ends on paper irregardless of what actually occurs in practice. Because, definitions matter, and we cannot be loose with words. But, this appears to me to be loose.

I could pass this off if it did not have this section - "provided matrimony be looked at not in the restricted sense as instituted for the proper conception and education of the child". The "proper conception and education of the child" is number one. Number two flows from it. But, this is saying that such an outlook is "restricted", as if such outlook is a defect.

Jaynek · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2015, 01:22:59 PM »

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I could pass this off if it did not have this section - "provided matrimony be looked at not in the restricted sense as instituted for the proper conception and education of the child". The "proper conception and education of the child" is number one. Number two flows from it. But, this is saying that such an outlook is "restricted", as if such outlook is a defect.

I do not think that the word "restricted" necessarily implies a defect. It could just mean there are two ways to look at marriage - a broader way and a narrower way. But I am still confused. :confused1: