Author Topic: Defense of Traditionalism I: Extra Ecclessiam Nulla Salus and Papal Heresy (Read 835 times)

DominvsSabaoth · « **on:** January 04, 2014, 05:29:23 PM »

“Thus it is that Pope Innocent III states (De Consuetudine) that it is necessary to obey the Pope in all things as long as he, himself, does not go against the universal customs of the Church, but should he go against the universal customs of the Church, “he need not be followed”
-Cardinal Juan de Torquemada

Pope Francis has gone against the universal customs of the true church

What he has done is really nothing short of treason against the church

“just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, it is also licit to resist a Pope who attacks the soul or …. above all, who attempts to destroy the Church. I say,” St. Robert continues, “that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders, and by preventing his will from being executed” -St. Robert Bellarmine

Pope Francis has gone against the will of numerous holy fathers, and therefore against the teaching of Jesus Christ.

A prime example is on the issue of Extra Ecclessiam Nulla Salus, that is,OUTSIDE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION

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"By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth."

-Pius XII
Lumen Gentium however says,

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"They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."

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who no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation

This implies invincible ignorance [heresy] is real and Anonymous Christianity [Rahnerian Heresy] is real. Also, Pope Pius XII, XI, XI, Benedict XV, and dozens of other pontiffs taught 'Outside the Roman Catholic Church there is no Salvation". Denial of Papal Teaching, even by another pope, is heresy. Catholics are not allowed to obey heresy. Therefore, traditionalism is the only right Catholicism.
pax

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2014, 05:43:34 PM »

Like all the "Faith is greater than obedience" crowd, you confuse the positive commands of a pope and the papal magisterium. Disobedience / resistance (under the conditions you cite) applies only to a pope's positive commands and NOT to the magisterium. No Catholic theologian has ever taught that it can be legitimate to reject papal magisterium.

poche · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2014, 02:04:21 AM »

From the testimony of Gloria Polo;

I open a parenthesis: you must all know that the priest, even though remaining a man, is a consecrated one of the Lord, recognized by the Eternal Father, so that in a piece of bread happens a miracle, a transubstantiation: by the hands of the priest, it becomes the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ… And these hands, the devil hates them intensely, terribly. The devil detests us Catholics due to the Eucharist, because the Eucharist is an open door for Heaven, and it is the only door! Without the Eucharist, no one enters into Heaven. When a person is agonizing, God comes beside this person, independent of the religion that he belongs to or his beliefs; the Lord reveals himself and says to him affectionately, with Love and Mercy: “I am your Lord!” And if the person asks for pardon and accepts this Lord, something happens that is difficult to explain: Jesus immediately brings this soul to where the Mass is being celebrated in that moment, and the person receives Viaticuм, which is a mystical communion. Because only the one who receives the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, can enter into Heaven. It is something mystical, it is an immense grace that we have in the Catholic Church, a grace that God has given to our Church; and many people speak badly about this Church, and yet by way of Her they receive salvation and go to Purgatory, and there they continue to benefit by the grace of the Eucharist. They save themselves. They go to Purgatory, but they are saved! Because of this the devil hates very much the priests: because where there is a priest, there are the hands that consecrate the bread and the wine, making them to become for us the Body and the Blood of Jesus Christ. Thus we must pray very much for the priests, because the devil attacks them constantly.

http://testimony-polo.blogspot.com/

DominvsSabaoth · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2014, 06:38:47 PM »

Quote from: poche

From the testimony of Gloria Polo;

I open a parenthesis: you must all know that the priest, even though remaining a man, is a consecrated one of the Lord, recognized by the Eternal Father, so that in a piece of bread happens a miracle, a transubstantiation: by the hands of the priest, it becomes the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ… And these hands, the devil hates them intensely, terribly. The devil detests us Catholics due to the Eucharist, because the Eucharist is an open door for Heaven, and it is the only door! Without the Eucharist, no one enters into Heaven. When a person is agonizing, God comes beside this person, independent of the religion that he belongs to or his beliefs; the Lord reveals himself and says to him affectionately, with Love and Mercy: “I am your Lord!” And if the person asks for pardon and accepts this Lord, something happens that is difficult to explain: Jesus immediately brings this soul to where the Mass is being celebrated in that moment, and the person receives Viaticuм, which is a mystical communion. Because only the one who receives the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, can enter into Heaven. It is something mystical, it is an immense grace that we have in the Catholic Church, a grace that God has given to our Church; and many people speak badly about this Church, and yet by way of Her they receive salvation and go to Purgatory, and there they continue to benefit by the grace of the Eucharist. They save themselves. They go to Purgatory, but they are saved! Because of this the devil hates very much the priests: because where there is a priest, there are the hands that consecrate the bread and the wine, making them to become for us the Body and the Blood of Jesus Christ. Thus we must pray very much for the priests, because the devil attacks them constantly.

http://testimony-polo.blogspot.com/

this is not relevant Poche