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Deceiving Even the Elect
« on: November 07, 2013, 09:33:50 AM »
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  • For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.[/b][/u](Mat 24:24)


    St. Alphonsus Liguori:
    "The devil has always attempted, by means of the heretics, to deprive the world of the Mass, making them precursors of the Anti-Christ, who, before anything else, will try to abolish and will actually abolish the Holy Sacrament of the altar, as a punishment for the sins of men, according to the prediction of Daniel:

    ‘And strength was given him against the continual sacrifice' (Dan. 8:12)."



    Pope Pius XII
    Quoted in the book Pius XII Devant L'Histoire, pp. 52-53 (by Msgr. Georges Roche)
    "Suppose, dear friend, that Communism [one of "the errors of Russia" mentioned in the Message of Fatima] was only the most visible of the instruments of subversion to be used against the Church and the traditions of Divine Revelation...
    "I am worried by the Blessed Virgin's messages to Lucy of Fatima. This persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the ѕυιcιdє of altering the Faith, in her liturgy, her theology and her soul. ...
    "I hear all around me innovators who wish to dismantle the Sacred Chapel, destroy the universal flame of the Church, reject her ornaments and make her feel remorse for her historical past.
    "A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them, like Mary Magdalene weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, "Where have they taken Him?" (emphasis added)



    “ONE DAY, THROUGH THE ROSARY AND THE SCAPULAR, SHE WILL SAVE THE WORLD."
    – St. Dominic’s Prophecy of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Rosary and the Scapular, AD 1208.


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    « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 09:38:00 AM »
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  • If the conciliar "Catholicism" is not the embodiment of "deceiving (if possible) even the elect", then what is? ALL Catholics think everything is normal and peachy.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2013, 06:11:18 PM »
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  • What are the "great signs and wonders"? I haven't seen any yet. Project Blue Beam? Holograms and other technology?
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    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 06:18:43 PM »
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    In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them, like Mary Magdalene weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, "Where have they taken Him?" (emphasis added)





    This is so upsetting to read.  God please help us.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 07:04:53 PM »
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    In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them, like Mary Magdalene weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, "Where have they taken Him?" (emphasis added)





    This is so upsetting to read.  God please help us.


    Let us not become discouraged but hope that we are made worthy of the promises of Christ. Let us humbly pray we are part of the elect and that truth will be revealed to us so we are not deceived.

    Matthew 24:13 But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.

    Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 08:45:09 PM »
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    What are the "great signs and wonders"? I haven't seen any yet. Project Blue Beam? Holograms and other technology?


    Everything we have today are signs and wonders (automobile, jet planes, space travel, electricity, telecommunications, TV, computers, credit cards, modern medicine, nuclear weapons, ect), that is why nobody needs God for anything (so they think).

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    « Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 09:54:17 PM »
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  • Vatican II and Medjugorje have deceived "if possible, even the elect."

    Just look around you.

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    « Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 09:21:28 AM »
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    Vatican II and Medjugorje have deceived "if possible, even the elect."

    Just look around you.


    By Vatican II, we mean EVERYTHING that came after it, the new mass, new ordination rite, new consecration of bishops, new sacraments, annulments, NFP, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ clergy, World Youth Days, Assisi, Charismatics, liturgical dancing, Eucharistic ministers ..... etc

    ALL Catholics have been deceived.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 09:31:14 AM »
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    Vatican II and Medjugorje have deceived "if possible, even the elect."

    Just look around you.


    Yes, by Vatican II, we mean EVERYTHING that came after it, the new mass, new ordination rite, new consecration of bishops, new sacraments, annulments, NFP, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ clergy, World Youth Days, Assisi, Charismatics, liturgical dancing, Eucharistic ministers ..... etc

    Indeed, ALL Catholics have been deceived.

    It is unfathomable how Catholics could even think that everything I describe above is Catholic.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 08, 2013, 05:26:49 PM »
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  • For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.(Mat 24:24)

    Some posts don't make sense when you read the original post. V2 was not a
    great sign" or a "wonder." It helped set change for greater deceptions to come.
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    « Reply #10 on: November 08, 2013, 06:38:58 PM »
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.(Mat 24:24)

    Some posts don't make sense when you read the original post. V2 was not a
    great sign" or a "wonder." It helped set change for greater deceptions to come.


    What greater deception can there be than the one we are living in today?

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    Vatican II and Medjugorje have deceived "if possible, even the elect."

    Just look around you.


    Yes, by Vatican II, we mean EVERYTHING that came after it, the new mass, new ordination rite, new consecration of bishops, new sacraments, annulments, NFP, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ clergy, World Youth Days, Assisi, Charismatics, liturgical dancing, Eucharistic ministers ..... etc

    Indeed, ALL Catholics have been deceived.

    It is unfathomable how Catholics could even think that everything I describe above is Catholic.


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    « Reply #11 on: November 11, 2013, 06:11:53 PM »
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  • Yes, we are in a huge deception. Like you, I hope it will not get worse. However, we have not yet seen the "signs and wonders" that, if it were possible would deceive even the elect. No one has researched Project Blue Beam?
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    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 06:54:32 AM »
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    One of the things the Antichrist will have is the power to make things
    happen, that appear to be great miracles (in Apostolic times they said
    "signs") but are actually fake miracles.  And the faithful of that time
    would likely be deceived were it not for special graces that God gives
    them to have discernment.

    We have the doctrine of Holy Mother Church on which we can rely and
    which cannot be violated.  We are responsible to know this doctrine,
    and we are now being tested so we can find out if we know it well
    enough.  We are tested in small things first, so that later when we are
    tested in greater things we will have been prepared for that.

    The great encyclical Pascendi teaches us what Modernism is, and
    therefore we are obliged to learn about it and to know what it is, so
    that when we are tested we will not come up wanting.  And it is not an
    easy task, to see it in all its aspects.  

    Fr. Chazal has just recently said that he is only today seeing some of
    the Modernism that is buried in the words of the abominable AFD of
    2012.  He said that if he had known in April of last year about these
    things, he would not have wasted 2 months thinking everything was
    going to be okay.  This experience of Fr. is a lot like our own
    experience now of the abominable acts of Pope Francis.  We are being
    tested.  

    Those who do not pray and do the penance of studying these things
    will not pass the test when the Antichrist does his great signs and
    wonders:  they would be deceived.  

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