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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: DEBATE on whether protestants and orthodox are within the Church
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2019, 05:24:03 PM »
Quote from: LeDeg on September 25, 2019, 12:47:43 PM
Albrecht and Fasitggi were pathetic.
They'll never say that Vatican II is in error, or they'll lose their positions, their income source, their customers. So, they have to come up with something to say, they re-invent the wheel.

Dimond should have just asked them if a 3 times married Eastern Orthodox (they can marry 3 times in the EO religion) that comes out of a confessional (confessing their sins to a EO priest) and dies, does he go to hell? 

One is either in the Church or they are not, if that EO is in the Church he is saved, if he is not then he is damned. 
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Online ByzCat3000

Re: DEBATE on whether protestants and orthodox are within the Church
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2019, 08:56:48 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on September 25, 2019, 05:24:03 PM
They'll never say that Vatican II is in error, or they'll lose their positions, their income source, their customers. So, they have to come up with something to say, they re-invent the wheel.

Dimond should have just asked them if a 3 times married Eastern Orthodox (they can marry 3 times in the EO religion) that comes out of a confessional (confessing their sins to a EO priest) and dies, does he go to hell?

One is either in the Church or they are not, if that EO is in the Church he is saved, if he is not then he is damned.
Do you believe every single EO, without exception, is "Outside the Church?"  Why or why not?

I think the answer to your question would be, if they knew what they were doing is wrong and did it anyway, they'd be damned.  Even if they didn't know it was wrong, they could be damned for something else that they knew.  But we don't know for sure.
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Online ByzCat3000

Re: DEBATE on whether protestants and orthodox are within the Church
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2019, 08:58:03 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 25, 2019, 10:50:08 AM
This might be fun.  I recall when Bishop Sanborn debated Fastiggi.  It was enlightening when Bishop Sanborn clearly lost ... due to his position on EENS.  If you say that non-Catholics can be saved, then you have to say that non-Catholics can be in the Church ... and, consequently, there's nothing wrong at all with V2 ecclesiology.
I think Vatican II is wrong in terms of its actual application because they gave an inch and took a mile.

But beyond that I'm not sure what to say.
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: DEBATE on whether protestants and orthodox are within the Church
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2019, 04:21:58 AM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on September 25, 2019, 08:56:48 PM
Do you believe every single EO, without exception, is "Outside the Church?"  Why or why not?

I think the answer to your question would be, if they knew what they were doing is wrong and did it anyway, they'd be damned.  Even if they didn't know it was wrong, they could be damned for something else that they knew.  But we don't know for sure.
You answered your own question, except where you say that "But we don't know for sure", for we do know for sure that they are damned  "if they knew what they were doing is wrong and did it anyway, they'd be damned.  Even if they didn't know it was wrong, they could be damned for something else that they knew". 

We know what we know to save our souls only because we assented to His Grace. If a person is an EO, he is so because he has not fully assented to God's Grace. 
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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: DEBATE on whether protestants and orthodox are within the Church
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2019, 06:32:15 AM »
Vatican II created by liberals in the church with the help of 6 liberal Protestants and liberal Rabbis.  Vatican II was created to destroy the Church from within.  Nothing ecuмenical about it when most Catholics don’t know or reject the basics of their faith to break first commandment by worshipping false gods. 
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