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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2022, 01:39:37 PM »
Quote from: Bataar on September 21, 2022, 12:42:43 PM
It was my understanding that they received the sacraments from an eastern rite Catholic priest since they knew he was validly ordained.

They did for a while, but I think they may have stopped.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2022, 01:43:23 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on September 21, 2022, 07:25:07 AM
On a serious note, he seems awfully thin.  Is this normal for him? Is he okay?

That struck me as well.  If you look at the still shot that shows an older picture, he does currently seem to be extremely thin.  So either he's been fasting or else he may have a health issue (such as cancer) ... as he almost has that "emaciated" look to him (like my brother did before he died of cancer).
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2022, 01:46:31 PM »
I do wish the debates would focus less on the "heretic pope" question and more on the broader questions of ...

Is the Conciliar Church the Catholic Church?

and

Is it possilble for a legitimate Pope to destroy the Church, pervert the Magisterium, institute a (bad imitation of a) Prot liturgy as the Church's public worship, canonize bogus saints, etc.?

Cassman actually set that up as a softball in his earlier remarks, where he claimed that the Papacy is there precisely to be the rock on which the Chuch is founded and to prevent all these evils to befall the Church.  Yes, indeed, and that's why we say these men can't be popes.

You can argue until the cows come home about Bellarmine vs. Cajetan / John of St. Thomas (Bellarmine's opinion is much stronger in that any alternative entails judging a pope and having the declaration serve as a cause of the deposition, and those views are both heretical).
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Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2022, 01:51:46 PM »
Just listen to Cassman from about 23:58 - 24:58.  This is PRECISELY the reason for SVism.  He was handing Brother Peter, on a silver platter, the rope with which to hang him during this debate.
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Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2022, 01:58:02 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 20, 2022, 11:53:37 PM
Indeed. Conservative NO's are the closest to the Catholic position in that false church. If sedevacantism were proven undeniably false, I would have no choice but to humble myself and go NO conservative. And even then, if that were the case, according to the NO I can be saved being literally any religion imaginable, so there's no point in even doing that when you can choose an easier religion. :facepalm:

Being a sedevacantist is honestly the most logical position. If I'm wrong, then I lose virtually nothing because I can still be saved according to the NO. But if I'm right, I gain everything because I would be firmly on the right path following the Catholic religion in this apostasy
I don’t find this argument convincing because BOTH sides believe people who pick the wrong position CAN be saved but nevertheless believe that it makes it more difficult for them.  Most sede clerics believe there are some true Catholic laypeople in the NO churches, while I believe 83 canon law leaves it ambiguous whether sspv, CMRI, etc can have valid confessions.  I feel like either way you’re making the best decision you can and trusting God if you’re wrong. The mere fact that you CAN be saved if you’re wrong doesn’t mean it’s just completely irrelevant or has zero spiritual consequences. 
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