Around 1:48:00, Br Peter makes a devastating point about the R&R position needing to pick and choose from the doctrines of V2 after he had just established the Novus Ordo "popes" claims to the highest magisterial authority. And this was after Jeff Cassman repeatedly demanded to know what authority MHFM submits to. Cassman seems out of his league to me. They should get Pinesap to argue for their side. Pinesap at least was a talented opponent even if he didn't have a great command of all the issues. I'm still watching the last 30 minutes of this debate but I don't see how Cassman can recover at this point. Pinesap lasted 2 hours before getting blown up in the last 10 minutes of his debate. Cassman was on the ropes within 20 minutes (10 if you don't count his 10 minute intro).
He doesn't recover, you can see it on his face that he realized he was in over his head. I don't know why he thought that regurgitating Salza-Siscoe talking points was a good idea when Fr. Cekada refuted them years ago, let alone MHFM themselves. He didn't seem to get that Br. Peter was trying to show him his contradictory position with the questions about particulars regarding his acceptance of V2 doctrines either.
People in the chat, which was chaotic, were saying they should've had Br. Peter debate someone who accepts V2 completely, like Jimmy Akin, rather than an R&R. As the V2-adherents and sedevacantists have more comparable positions on the Crisis than the R&R adherents.
Either way, I hope it provided some appropriate outreach to those already on the fence about these antipopes. I saw Novus Ordo Watch in the chat as well.
Topic: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes? (Read 17376 times)