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Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« on: September 20, 2022, 11:09:02 AM »
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    • Live this afternoon. Should be interesting

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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #1 on: September 20, 2022, 11:13:53 AM »
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    • Who is Jeff Cassman?
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #2 on: September 20, 2022, 11:16:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 20, 2022, 11:13:53 AM
    Who is Jeff Cassman?
    Some sort of NO conservative apologist. His bio from the video doesn't tell much, honestly.

    I think he's going to be eviscerated.

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    Jeff Cassman is a former Air Force Intelligence Analyst and a predictive behavioral modeling expert for an ad agency in Nashville, TN. He’s a cradle Catholic and first attended a traditionalLatin Mass in 2000. He later studied theology at Holy Apostles College in Connecticut.

    Jeff is a co-founder of Catholic Men of America, our country’s only national professional business fraternity for Catholic men. He is a gentleman farmer, raising pigs, rabbits, chicken and quail and has designed and built aquaponic greenhouse growing environments for tilapia and organic produce. Jeff has been married to his high school sweetheart, Sarah for 28 years and they have homeschooled their 14 children (11 boys and three girls), now ages 3 to 26. In his spare time,Jeff enjoys eating and sleeping.

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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #3 on: September 20, 2022, 11:25:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 20, 2022, 11:16:34 AM
    Some sort of NO conservative apologist. His bio from the video doesn't tell much, honestly.

    I think he's going to be eviscerated.
    I just hope Peter Dimond remains respectful.  
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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #4 on: September 20, 2022, 11:34:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 20, 2022, 11:25:23 AM
    I just hope Peter Dimond remains respectful. 
    Yes, me too. PintsWithAquinas has a big reach.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #5 on: September 20, 2022, 03:17:47 PM »
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    • It's surprising how civil most debates with Br Peter Dimond are.  Not like the debates we have on Cathinfo where the discussion almost inevitably devolves into insults.  And I don't blame people on Cathinfo for the insults either because these debates touch on the core of our faith.  Maybe in-person debates are more likely to end cordially than text-based debates?  One thing is for certain, debates almost never end up with one side admitting total defeat.  But there definitely is the potential to sway onlookers one way or the other.  I hope it goes well for Br Peter.
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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #6 on: September 20, 2022, 03:43:59 PM »
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    • Cassman is likely to win. The Dimonds sede material is quite awful. Unless they've changed, when I was reviewing their sede material about five years ago, their central sedevacantist argument is that the conciliar popes lack the supernatural virtue of faith, and therefore are not members of the Church. 

    Pathetic error that could easily be avoided by reading just about any ecclesiology of the last 500 years. 
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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #7 on: September 20, 2022, 03:54:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on September 20, 2022, 03:43:59 PM
    Cassman is likely to win. The Dimonds sede material is quite awful. Unless they've changed, when I was reviewing their sede material about five years ago, their central sedevacantist argument is that the conciliar popes lack the supernatural virtue of faith, and therefore are not members of the Church.

    Pathetic error that could easily be avoided by reading just about any ecclesiology of the last 500 years.
    Really?  I thought their focus was the promulgation and teaching of Vatican II as it is with most sedes.
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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #8 on: September 20, 2022, 04:01:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 20, 2022, 03:54:27 PM
    Really?  I thought their focus was the promulgation and teaching of Vatican II as it is with most sedes.
    It is. I don't know where he's getting that from.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #9 on: September 20, 2022, 04:02:49 PM »
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    • Wow, the elusive Br. Peter has a webcam set up.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #10 on: September 20, 2022, 04:12:50 PM »
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    • I think that chat is making me dizzy.  Way too fast.
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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #11 on: September 20, 2022, 04:20:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 20, 2022, 04:12:50 PM
    I think that chat is making me dizzy.  Way too fast.
    It's a total mess lol
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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #12 on: September 20, 2022, 04:43:43 PM »
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    • Does Francis profess the true faith?

    Cassman is a disaster.
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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #13 on: September 20, 2022, 04:46:30 PM »
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    • Is Joe Biden a member of the Catholic Church?

    Cassman is looking distressed.
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    Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
    « Reply #14 on: September 20, 2022, 04:48:38 PM »
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    • This is a massacre. Cassman is trotting out arguments that were refuted years ago. The Canon law vs Divine law fallacy. Which is pure Salzaism
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]
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