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Author Topic: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?  (Read 7857 times)

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Offline Clemens Maria

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  • I agree with you 100% but we need to get rid of any confusion that might lead one to think SV vs R&R (at least the type of R&R that states that the Church can lead souls to hell with false teachings and a defective rite of the Mass like I hear on the neoSSPX podcast). If sedeprivationism is NOT sedevacantism then proponents of sedeprivationism should recognize that we do have a pope and stop calling themselves sedevacantists. Likewise, resistance minded Catholics should defend the indefectibility of the Church. The majority view of theologians give faithful Catholics enough ammo to do this without inventing or branding new theories. Yes we still need the Church to come down on precisely which view is the correct one (Cajetan, John of St. Thomas, Bellarmine, Billuart, etc.), but there is alot more similarities between the views than differences. None of them are sedevacantist though. Sedevacantism is a heresy and will be recognized as a heresy by the Church in due time. All faithful Catholics should reject it. (I am not saying I have the authority to condemn any Catholic that holds the sedevacantist position). There are other important differences between Fr. Chazal's position (which I think is a faithful Catholic position) and the positions taken by sedeprivationsit groups (which can lead to various other errors/danagers) but I will start a new thread to go into what they are.

    I predict you will be back in the Novus Ordo before too long.  Salza said the SV position was schism or some times apostasy.  But I don't think he was foolish enough to claim it was heresy given that it is entirely based on pre V2 theology from St Robert Bellarmine and many other lesser Catholic theologians.


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  • Yes, this traditional Benedictines offer was rejected because he was suspect, amazingly the Archbishop found him to be sound.


    A Benedictine community is a community that lives under the Rule of St. Benedict 

    Yes. Vennari left before Natalie died because there was no formation and the rule was ignored, it was chaos. But hey I guess any lay person can just call themselves a Benedictine if they want to. 

    قامت مريم، ترتيل وفاء جحا و سلام جحا


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  • Yes, this traditional Benedictines offer was rejected because he was suspect, amazingly the Archbishop found him to be sound.


    A Benedictine community is a community that lives under the Rule of St. Benedict

    Yes. Vennari left before Natalie died because there was no formation and the rule was ignored, it was chaos. But hey I guess any lay person can just call themselves a Benedictine if they want to.

    So by your definition MHFM is a Benedictine community.  Got it.