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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #75 on: September 22, 2022, 03:48:02 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 22, 2022, 02:12:47 PM
I must say I felt like putting my finger down the back of my throat with Cassman's final statement, which was sanctimonious nonsense, claiming that we must stay in the NO because we must fight the battle and not bail out like cowards, etc.  This has nothing to do with this whatsoever.  We're bailing out because it's NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, and not due to fleeing from cowardice and refusing to suffer with the Church.  That was utterly obnoxious.  From Revelation/Apocalypse 18:4 "Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues."
I remember vocalizing my discontent with that trash when I was watching it. How is it that any of us are running from the fight? For example, Bro. Peter most certainly doesn't run from the fight given that he constantly debates people online or responds to them.
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Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #76 on: September 22, 2022, 04:05:28 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 22, 2022, 02:12:47 PM
Overall, I've noticed with the Dimond Brothers that their latest videos have had a much gentler tone to them.  So when they criticized Taylor Marshall (and they were right about their points), they didn't denounce him as a heretic, much less a "bad willed" heretic, but said that he was mistaken.  That was refreshing to see.

Even in this debate with Cassman, he walked back a reference to something as being heretical to call it an "error" ... so perhaps something getting across about the theological notes.
I mean, how are they going to bring people to the Faith by doing that? Yes, they have those they've successfully converted, but those of us who are already practicing Catholicism hesitate given their denunciation of everyone as a heretic (no matter how true). While I agree with their points on the EENS dogma and the Pope, I've certainly voiced my issues with their "tone" and lack of distinctions.
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Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2022, 04:09:45 PM »
Quote from: ServusInutilisDomini on September 22, 2022, 12:34:42 PM
Cassman actually came of as more of a meanie than Bro. Dimond. 
:laugh1: Crazy, right?
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Offline confederate catholic

Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2022, 06:15:30 PM »
A reply to an earlier comment about being Benedictine.
There's a vast difference between being a member of a community with an actual professed monk from an actual canonical monastery where he was formed who left because of the changes and he guides you through the way of life, having a bishop take your vows publicly.
And having a postulant without vows and no formation trying to form you. 
Big difference between all traditional religious orders ( the former ) and the latter ( Diamonds). They were even offered to be formed by benedictines and sent back to their monastery after vows. They refused. 
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Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #79 on: September 22, 2022, 06:32:57 PM »
Quote from: confederate catholic on September 22, 2022, 06:15:30 PM
A reply to an earlier comment about being Benedictine.
There's a vast difference between being a member of a community with an actual professed monk from an actual canonical monastery where he was formed who left because of the changes and he guides you through the way of life, having a bishop take your vows publicly.
And having a postulant without vows and no formation trying to form you.
Big difference between all traditional religious orders ( the former ) and the latter ( Diamonds). They were even offered to be formed by benedictines and sent back to their monastery after vows. They refused.
Good point. I heard from a talk by Richard Ibranyi (kind of a crazy guy) where he claimed that Bro. Peter didn't meet the proper requirements to become a Superior. But he also made a bunch of other unsubstantiated, subjective claims about Bros. Peter and Michael as well.

That's interesting to know though, do you have a source for the last point? It still doesn't change the fact that he and his apostolate does great work to defend Catholic doctrine.
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