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Author Topic: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?  (Read 17353 times)

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Offline Clemens Maria

Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2022, 03:17:47 PM »
It's surprising how civil most debates with Br Peter Dimond are.  Not like the debates we have on Cathinfo where the discussion almost inevitably devolves into insults.  And I don't blame people on Cathinfo for the insults either because these debates touch on the core of our faith.  Maybe in-person debates are more likely to end cordially than text-based debates?  One thing is for certain, debates almost never end up with one side admitting total defeat.  But there definitely is the potential to sway onlookers one way or the other.  I hope it goes well for Br Peter.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2022, 03:43:59 PM »
Cassman is likely to win. The Dimonds sede material is quite awful. Unless they've changed, when I was reviewing their sede material about five years ago, their central sedevacantist argument is that the conciliar popes lack the supernatural virtue of faith, and therefore are not members of the Church. 

Pathetic error that could easily be avoided by reading just about any ecclesiology of the last 500 years. 
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2022, 03:54:27 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on September 20, 2022, 03:43:59 PM
Cassman is likely to win. The Dimonds sede material is quite awful. Unless they've changed, when I was reviewing their sede material about five years ago, their central sedevacantist argument is that the conciliar popes lack the supernatural virtue of faith, and therefore are not members of the Church.

Pathetic error that could easily be avoided by reading just about any ecclesiology of the last 500 years.
Really?  I thought their focus was the promulgation and teaching of Vatican II as it is with most sedes.
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2022, 04:01:43 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on September 20, 2022, 03:54:27 PM
Really?  I thought their focus was the promulgation and teaching of Vatican II as it is with most sedes.
It is. I don't know where he's getting that from.
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Debate: Jeff Cassman vs. Br. Peter Dimond - Are JXXIII thru Francis true Popes?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2022, 04:02:49 PM »
Wow, the elusive Br. Peter has a webcam set up.
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