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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: McCarrick Report out.
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2020, 10:00:51 AM »
Quote from: Mark 79 on November 11, 2020, 09:59:43 AM
…and Wojtla the Second Worst also "canonized" Escri(b)va.

"santo subito" all around

See, I disagree a bit.  I would declare Montini the Worst, and Wojtyla the Second Worst ... in terms of their accomplishments (i.e. the degree of harm they caused).  Bergoglio is of course over the top, but he can't do any damage among conservative Catholics since they see him for what he is.  Wojtyla was a good actor, and of course Montini brought us Vatican II and the NOM.  Wojtlya, by holding the line on morals and some progressive issues like women priests and feminism, made himself appear to be a bulwark of orthodoxy ... which then alllowed him to be the greatest promoter of religious indifferentism in history.  Berogligo then came along now to finish the job on the front of morals.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: McCarrick Report out.
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2020, 10:03:51 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 11, 2020, 09:49:18 AM
Is it too late to de-canonize Wojtyla?  Wojtyla the Great also knew about the situation with Maciel.

Sounds like the Vatican is throwing Wojtyla under the bus to save Bergoglio.
Not necessary.  He never was.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: McCarrick Report out.
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2020, 10:05:54 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on November 11, 2020, 10:03:51 AM
Not necessary.  He never was.

Well, right, but I mean from the NO perspective.
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Offline Prayerful

Re: McCarrick Report out.
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2020, 11:22:17 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 11, 2020, 10:00:51 AM
"santo subito" all around

See, I disagree a bit.  I would declare Montini the Worst, and Wojtyla the Second Worst ... in terms of their accomplishments (i.e. the degree of harm they caused).  Bergoglio is of course over the top, but he can't do any damage among conservative Catholics since they see him for what he is.  Wojtyla was a good actor, and of course Montini brought us Vatican II and the NOM.  Wojtlya, by holding the line on morals and some progressive issues like women priests and feminism, made himself appear to be a bulwark of orthodoxy ... which then alllowed him to be the greatest promoter of religious indifferentism in history.  Berogligo then came along now to finish the job on the front of morals.
At least with JP2 the Mass of Ages did again become accessible in places at a time when there was still plenty of diocesan priests with traditional orders.
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