Using the term Feeneyites, for lack of a better word. I'd like to understand how and why you adopted the positions or a derivation of the positions of Leonard Feeney. Maybe it was something you read, a pamphlet, a radio show, perhaps you live near one of their areas. I'm genuinely curious.

The reason is that I believe in the infallible teaching of the Church that the words of Our Lord Jesus Christ are to be understood literally. (John 3:5 – Amen, amen I say unto thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God).

This would exclude any possibility of salvation without being born again of water and the Holy Ghost. I cannot reconcile this with the concept of baptism of desire or of blood & invisible ignorance.

I also believe that God, in His Infinite Omnipotence, will ensure that His elect WILL get baptized with water, just as Christ, Our Savior, instituted it and demonstrated with his own very actions and that his elect WILL come to the knowledge of the True faith and not remain in state of ignorance.

If the invisible ignorant can be saved and those outside of the Church can in fact be in God's grace, there is no point at all in evangelizing. Our effort of conversion and winning souls over to Our Lord and Our Lady makes no sense.

 

I first heard the term"Feeneyite" in this forum. I have read Fr. Feeney works but I don't consider myself his "follower". Those beliefs that are categorized as "feeneyists" here are simply what I had understood were given facts by the Holy Catholic Church.

Interesting to note though, is that I was raised in a very, very, Catholic country, conquered and evangelized by the Spaniards, go figure!

My first exposure was a sticker. But I've never held their positions.

I first heard the term"Feeneyite" in this forum. I have read Fr. Feeney works but I don't consider myself his "follower". Those beliefs that are categorized as "feeneyists" here are simply what I had understood were given facts by the Holy Catholic Church.

Interesting to note though, is that I was raised in a very, very, Catholic country, conquered and evangelized by the Spaniards, go figure!

Interesting! I am a Mexican mestizo with more spanish ancestry in the background. God Bless the Cristero's who are one of the few countries that never accepted a Schismatic Church imposed by the state despite all the suffering they went through. They were really children of the Church, this is where precisely the Masons in the Alta Vendita succeeded in due time. They knew that was the only successful way to take over the minds of peasants. The Cristeros they put down their arms at the bidding of the Holy Father (which we know looking back 20/20 ended badly so much for comprimising with the enemies of the Church!), but God bless them for their filial obedience. If they would have never put down their arms the Mexicans were going to win against the Masonic government, Mexico would be a first world country for sure and everything would be different. Either way we have thousands of Martyrs in the Blessed Land of Our Lady of Guadalupe, she is truly there even still her image stands as a testimony to all nations of the Glory of the Catholic Church.

I certainly feel proud of both my indigenous and spanish heritage, the faith of the indigenous people took well over 2 centuries to demolish. That is how deeply rooted their piety is and it is still deeply in Mexico. Interesting to note how Sedevacantism is pretty strong in Mexico, they should especially know the real claws of Masonry after having suffered for over 2 centuries its persecution. There is no doubt in my mind that Mexico was like no other Catholic nation, it was the conversion of an entire country through the special intervention of Heaven.

Cantarella are you Filipino, just wondering!? We have a few Filipino families that I know, very good friends with them. The way I see it is Filipino's are kind of cousins to Mexicans   . God truly works in mysterious ways and one day we will know precisely how it all happened in one instant in the Last Judgement where all of us will stand in awe of His justice and mercy.

Using the term Feeneyites, for lack of a better word. I'd like to understand how and why you adopted the positions or a derivation of the positions of Leonard Feeney. Maybe it was something you read, a pamphlet, a radio show, perhaps you live near one of their areas. I'm genuinely curious.

What Father Feeney taught just makes sense.  The whole notion of "implicit faith" and/or "implicit desire" is just absurd; it's like "division by zero."  Allow "division by zero" and one can prove anything.

Take "implicit faith".  How does one who has "implicit faith" ever be guilty of the sins of heresy and apostasy?  How does a Jєω, Muslim, Buddhist, etc., who has "implicit faith" in Jesus Christ ever get rid of his/her implicit faith?  If someone is implicitly joined to the Catholic Church, how does such an individual ever become "unjoined" to the Church, as an act of their own human free will?  And, is someone who has genuine "implicit faith" capable of refusing sacramental Baptism without sin?  What happens if they do?  Does their "implicit faith" go away or does it still remain?  Can we, as traditional Catholic, lead people into sin just by preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them?

It just makes sense to me that those whom the One and Triune God has predestined to eternal life, His Elect, will also be predestined by Him to receive sacramental Baptism, which is the character of His divine sons and daughters.  And why would the omnipotent God not lead someone who is sincerely seeking Him into the One True Faith and One True Church?  If such a person is willing to do God's will, it seems to me that a God who can "move mountains" and raise individuals from the dead can also deliver someone from their state of "invincible ignorance."

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Using the term Feeneyites, for lack of a better word. I'd like to understand how and why you adopted the positions or a derivation of the positions of Leonard Feeney. Maybe it was something you read, a pamphlet, a radio show, perhaps you live near one of their areas. I'm genuinely curious.

What Father Feeney taught just makes sense.  The whole notion of "implicit faith" and/or "implicit desire" is just absurd; it's like "division by zero."  Allow "division by zero" and one can prove anything.

Take "implicit faith".  How does one who has "implicit faith" ever be guilty of the sins of heresy and apostasy?  How does a Jєω, Muslim, Buddhist, etc., who has "implicit faith" in Jesus Christ ever get rid of his/her implicit faith?  If someone is implicitly joined to the Catholic Church, how does such an individual ever become "unjoined" to the Church, as an act of their own human free will?  And, is someone who has genuine "implicit faith" capable of refusing sacramental Baptism without sin?  What happens if they do?  Does their "implicit faith" go away or does it still remain?  Can we, as traditional Catholic, lead people into sin just by preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them?

It just makes sense to me that those whom the One and Triune God has predestined to eternal life, His Elect, will also be predestined by Him to receive sacramental Baptism, which is the character of His divine sons and daughters.  And why would the omnipotent God not lead someone who is sincerely seeking Him into the One True Faith and One True Church?  If such a person is willing to do God's will, it seems to me that a God who can "move mountains" and raise individuals from the dead can also deliver someone from their state of "invincible ignorance."

Are you unable to answer a question or do you just want to de-rail the thread?

Mabel...
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My first exposure was a sticker. But I've never held their positions.

Mabel ,, When you say "their Position",  could you explain in your own words , what you interpet as "their Position",  
Tks

Anyone who holds the controversial positions, or derivations of such, which began with Leonard Feeney. I believe most trace their roots to him and the SBC.  

I mean I'm only seeing the adoption of any of those positions among those with exposure, first or second hand, to certain factors, which have a particular point of origin.