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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

Re: Dating outside the resistance
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2025, 07:26:10 AM »
Quote from: SimonJude on November 01, 2025, 06:51:00 AM
I think the confusion here is the word "saved".
St. Paul is referring to a woman being saved from seduction through childbearing, not saving her soul through childbearing.  The second half of verse 15 refers to how she can save her soul (what i was referring to).

Mental gymnastics. It says what it says. Let he who has ears, hear.
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Offline SimonJude

Re: Dating outside the resistance
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2025, 08:05:25 AM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on November 01, 2025, 07:26:10 AM
Mental gymnastics. It says what it says. Let he who has ears, hear.
This is one problem with Catholics: we like to toss bible verses around without understanding them, especially in a "true Catholic interpretation".

We have ears to hear and eyes to see, but understanding is the key.

You are not beyond learning.  Neither am I, and I am OLD.

Back to dating in the resistance....  no dating, no marriage.  Go into orders or remain a single holy Catholic, is my suggestion.  
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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

Re: Dating outside the resistance
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2025, 08:22:09 AM »
Quote from: SimonJude on November 01, 2025, 08:05:25 AM
This is one problem with Catholics: we like to toss bible verses around without understanding them, especially in a "true Catholic interpretation".

We have ears to hear and eyes to see, but understanding is the key.

You are not beyond learning.  Neither am I, and I am OLD.

Back to dating in the resistance....  no dating, no marriage.  Go into orders or remain a single holy Catholic, is my suggestion. 


Something my mother told me when I was young and it stuck with me as I continued through life and enjoyed philosophy, it was this:

"Age does not necessary mean wisdom."
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Offline SimonJude

Re: Dating outside the resistance
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2025, 08:37:25 AM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on November 01, 2025, 08:22:09 AM

Something my mother told me when I was young and it stuck with me as I continued through life and enjoyed philosophy, it was this:

"Age does not necessary mean wisdom."
:laugh1::laugh2::popcorn:
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Offline SimonJude

Re: Dating outside the resistance
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2025, 08:47:07 AM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on November 01, 2025, 06:11:02 AM
This thread is not about salvation broadly.
It is about dating.

However St. Paul does say women save their souls through childbearing. So there's that.
"For the Apostle says that a woman does better if she does not marry." - St. Thomas Aquinas on 1 Timothy 2

Gregory of nαzιanzus interpreted the "childbearing" in 1 Timothy 2:15 in a spiritualized or allegoric sense, referring to the bearing of spiritual fruit, rather than physical motherhood being the literal means of a woman's personal salvation. 

This approach was common among many early Church Fathers (including Gregory of Nyssa and Origen) who shared Gregory's ascetic sensibilities and were anxious about the literal interpretation of the passage, which seemed to conflict with the high value they placed on virginity and celibacy as a superior spiritual path. 

In other words, it's not the childbearing that will save her soul.
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