Author Topic: Dan Rather to Interview SSPX Superior Tuesday Night (Read 2862 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** December 07, 2010, 10:36:29 PM »

http://www.hd.net/danrather.html

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2010, 10:38:26 PM »

HDNet's 'Dan Rather Reports' Examines the Church's Return to Conservative Catholicism

Is the Pope supporting a movement to bring the Church back to pre-Vatican II practices? TONIGHT, Tuesday, December 7 at 8:00 p.m. ET

DALLAS, Dec. 7, 2010 /PRNewswire/ -- Tonight, "Dan Rather Reports" investigates some subtle changes - and some not so subtle - that may indicate a conservative shift in the Roman Catholic Church. Is Pope Benedict the XVI supporting these changes, or simply trying to heal rifts within the Church itself?
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In the 1960's, under Pope John XXIII, and Pope Paul VI, the Second Ecuмenical Council of the Vatican, or Vatican II made changes to the Roman Catholic liturgy including conducting Mass in the native vernacular, instead of Latin, and allowing priests to face the congregation. These changes made it look as if a new more liberal view would shape the Church in the coming years.
However, it seems as if lately, and somewhat quietly, the Church is slowly becoming more conservative under Pope Benedict XVI.
One of the bigger indicators of this shift is the Vatican bringing a group called "The Priestly Society of St. Pius X," (or SSPX) back into the fold. The group was excommunicated in the 1980's for being too conservative in their practices after Vatican II.
Bishop Bernard Fellay, head of the SSPX tells Dan Rather in a rare television interview his thoughts on Vatican II.
"And the result is there. The fruits are there. It's a disaster. The Church now, in many countries is not far from collapse," said Fellay.
However, there are others who had hoped the changes of Vatican II would present a Church that was more liberal and less tied to ancient dogma. Former Catholic Priest Ed Flavahan is one of those who are disappointed with the Church's shift.
"There are a lot of people who are angry at the Catholic Church and the hierarchy and its solemn pronouncements and they're being driven from the Church," Flavahan tells Rather. "I want to be with these people even if it means being called an outcast."
However, some Church experts believe that the reinstatement of the leadership of SSPX is simply the Pope's attempt to repair schisms to create a more united Church.
Should Catholics expect a return to the days before Vatican II? Find out tonight on HDNet.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2010, 10:41:24 PM »

Link to transcript...

http://www.hd.net/transcript.html?air_master_id=A6686&pd=danrather

clare · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2010, 06:10:55 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Link to transcript...

http://www.hd.net/transcript.html?air_master_id=A6686&pd=danrather

Not much in the way of quotation marks to indicate where people's comments start and end in that transcript!

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #4 on:** December 08, 2010, 08:10:47 AM »

PDF transcript will be posted here eventually...

http://www.hd.net/transcript_list.php?pd=danrather

Elizabeth · « **Reply #5 on:** December 08, 2010, 01:35:44 PM »

Was Mr. Rather raised Catholic?

Thanks for the transcript, BTW.

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #6 on:** December 08, 2010, 09:57:31 PM »

I also thank you for the link, stevus.

I just read the transcript. It was entirely predictable. I think I could have written all the responses myself. All the usual suspects recited all of their usual spiel.

It was informative, though, for a person new to these conflicts and could possibly be used to initiate an unaware NOer into what the conflict is all about. I would like to eventually see the video of this as well.

If nothing else, it could be a way for people at least to become aware that Tradition still exists and hopefully begin to investigate it. I didn't know the Latin Mass still existed or that there were people still following the Old Ways until a few months before Passion of the Christ came out and I read an article about Mel Gibson and saw him on EWTN. Immediately I understood that I was being called upon to straighten out my act and get serious about my Faith, and that not every Catholic was some namby-pamby loser. (Sorry, but that was my impression of my fellow "Catholics." Living in Latin America, almost all of the "serious" religious people that I met had walked, or ran, away from the church a long time ago.)

And, even if no one converts as a result of this broadcast, it's still good for some deep sighing and head shaking, for example after reading these comments by participants in a liberal "worship community" in Minneapolis:

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When this young priest came and he started having classes in the evening and we all
started going, and it was more on the Vatican II, and it’s like you are the Church, you
know? You are the Church. And it was that God loves you. Well who ever heard of God
loving you?! You know? You were scared to death of God!

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Well to me it was a breath of fresh air, really. We always had the host before, so we
started making our own bread - bringing the bread and just the fact that we could make
the bread and bring it there was just a glorious thing, because you know before, that was
a no-no.

and finally this gem from an ex-"priest":

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We begin to have a community together, and the mass would be more like a meal, like a -
- gathering of Christian believers around the table, reading the scriptures in their own
language, encouraged to read the scriptures, and to study the scriptures, and to act on
them, to find Jesus, and to step away from the rules of the Church. It was terribly
liberating and I just felt like it was a second birth for me.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** December 08, 2010, 10:54:28 PM »

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BISHOP FELLAY UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNED HIS COLLEAGUE'S REMARKS, AND THIS CRISIS EVENTUALLY PASSED. BUT SSPX NOW HAD AN ANTI-SEMITIC REPUTATION. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO RARE TO GET THE KIND OF ACCESS WE GOT. THE SOCIETY IS UNDERSTANDABLY NERVOUS ABOUT HOW IT'S PORTRAYED IN THE PRESS. WE ARE NOT ANTI-Jєωιѕн. JESUS IS A Jєω, THE VIRGIN MARY IS A Jєω, THE APOSTLES, THEY ARE JєωS. SO OUR RELIGION CAME FROM THERE. WE CANNOT BE ANTI-Jєωιѕн AS A PEOPLE.

Very weak.

Ethelred · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2010, 03:41:30 AM »

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BISHOP FELLAY UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNED HIS COLLEAGUE'S REMARKS, AND THIS CRISIS EVENTUALLY PASSED. BUT SSPX NOW HAD AN ANTI-SEMITIC REPUTATION. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO RARE TO GET THE KIND OF ACCESS WE GOT. THE SOCIETY IS UNDERSTANDABLY NERVOUS ABOUT HOW IT'S PORTRAYED IN THE PRESS. WE ARE NOT ANTI-Jєωιѕн. JESUS IS A Jєω, THE VIRGIN MARY IS A Jєω, THE APOSTLES, THEY ARE JєωS. SO OUR RELIGION CAME FROM THERE. WE CANNOT BE ANTI-Jєωιѕн AS A PEOPLE.

Very weak.

Bishop Fellay opposes the teaching of the old Church on the Jєωs. He's just repeating the wrong doctrine of the Vatican II Church which Bishop Williamson calls Newchurch.

Modernist Vatican II enters the Heart of the SSPX with light speed.

Atila Sinke Guimarães writes:

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Further on, the Apostle makes it clear that the faith of the ancient Patriarchs was the faith in Jesus Christ:

“Remember your prelates who have spoken the word of God to you; whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation, Jesus Christ yesterday and today; and the same forever.” (Hebr. 13:7-8.)

Faith was, therefore, the reason for the promise; and the promise was made in the prevision of Christ. With Our Lord, the promise was fulfilled and the Old Covenant, therefore, finished. Our Lord established the New Covenant, which replaced the Old Covenant:

“Now in saying a new [covenant], he [God] has made the former old. And that which decayeth and groweth old, is near its end.” (Hebr. 8:13)

Thus, both as the substance of the continuity of the Old Covenant and as the foundation of the New, faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ is the basis of any predilection and the only grounds for the right of first-born. Therefore, to speak of the “predilection” of the Jєωs in our day and attribute to them some religious right of first-born vis-à-vis Catholics, completely setting aside the question of Faith, is not acceptable. It seems either a clear denial of the Catholic dogmas and their base in Scriptures or a nonsensical declaration of the supremacy of the Jєωιѕн race over the others.