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"When this young priest came and he started having classes in the evening and we all started going, and it was more on the Vatican II, and it’s like you are the Church, you
know? You are the Church. And it was that God loves you. Well who ever heard of God loving you?! You know? You were scared to death of God!"

Comment-this is the yard of Bishop Ireland after all.that said, what cathecism in the 50's back said to fear God in the way she is talking about???

"I considered us as pilgrims, all of us, searching, and the big part was the laity got to take part in all the major parts of the liturgy along with the priest. Our priests were very liberal."

Comment-indeed, pilgrims for the NewChurch!!! there is active role of laity, it is called-PRAING THE MASS!!!. I will be doing this tonight, using my pre-1962 ( ) Missal in a possible High Mass, or maybe, Low, depending....

"Well to me it was a breath of fresh air, really. We always had the host before, so we started making our own bread - bringing the bread and just the fact that we could make
the bread and bring it there was just a glorious thing, because you know before, that was a no-no."

Comment-so, baking bread is liberating??? do they do that at home too, or is it not then, mothering ones own family??? yes, it is still a "no-no"!!

"Oh! And one of the prayers is “Oh, God, I am not worthy that you should come up…”and this priest said “Oh, God, I am worthy,” and Julie said, “Oh my God! Oh my God! We’re going to be struck dead if we say that.”

Comment-yes actually you might be struck dead, for using God's name in vain and sin of pride/presumption! Your priest should be a humble servant, instead, is self serving! Not, too the "envelope pushing priest is no a "ex-priest" :shocked: :rolleyes:

"In a nutshell, Vatican II opened the windows to the Church. John XXIII, in convening it said, “We’re going to see if we can’t make the bride of Christ more attractive to people,
and to all people. We need to become expansive rather than pull back.” Well it rattled a lot of cages in the Vatican hierarchy or the bureaucracy and they fought every inch of it
but he just let them fight it out."

Comment-yeah, for 1900 yrs, we did not expand anywhere (Japan, The Americas, Europe, Asia, Polynesia)-nope, all locked up tight!

"We begin to have a community together, and the mass would be more like a meal, like a -- gathering of Christian believers around the table, reading the scriptures in their own
language, encouraged to read the scriptures, and to study the scriptures, and to act on them, to find Jesus, and to step away from the rules of the Church. It was terribly
liberating and I just felt like it was a second birth for me."

Comment-as an "ex", guess not too liberating-dare I read on to see if that is explained  :read-paper: :tv-disturbed:. It is NOT A MEAL!!! So much for the hardcore trad cathecism of the 40's!! He and theose women did not get it. SO, no oneread the Bible pre-V2?? Guess Leo XIII did not write Prov. Deus...

"AND THIS IS WHERE OUR STORY TAKES A TURN. BOTH THE SOCIETY OF ST. PIUS THE TENTH AND THE LIBERAL CONGREGATION IN MINNEAPOLIS HAVE RUN AFOUL OF VATICAN AUTHORITY - TO THE POINT OF BEING
KICKED OUT OF THE CHURCH - BOTH OF THEM."

Comment-SSPX is defending the true faith and the other is not even Catholic, name or not, not Catholic...neither was kicked out, Dan! One is mantaining, the other left for all intents/purposes.....

"The liturgy at St Stephens from 1968 to the present moment has been evolving. ---"

Comment-note to liberal priest-liturgy does not just continue to evolve, it is organic and changes not allowed-see Pope St. Pius V!

"Our Mother and Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come..."

Comment-blasphemy! One does not pray this way to Trinity and BVM at all. They are NOT EQUAL!!!!!! God is male all through bible!!

"THE CONGREGATION NOW MEETS IN A RECREATION HALL AT A PROTESTANT CHURCH. THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE SPIRIT OF ST.STEPHEN’S"

Comment-nuff said,really-all there.....thankfully, these V2 liberal baby boomers are slowly leaving us....

"We decided rather than disperse into the community or stop going to church anywhere or become Protestant or this or that that we would stay together and that’s a remarkable
thing to me."

Comment-gee, becoming Prot is a  bad thing padre? not very INCLUSIVE of you! :roll-laugh1:  that said, you are functionally and acting,a Protestant!! though no fundamental Prot would talk and act like you.....btw, they call themselves now not St. Stephens Church, but "spirit of St.Stephens" :heretic:

"MEMBERS OF SSPX BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY FUTURE FOR THE CHURCH IS A STRICT ADHERENCE TO CATHOLIC DOCTRINE. IN CLASSES THE YOUNG PRIESTS-IN-TRAINING LEARN THEIR LESSONS WITH RIGOR AND OBEDIENCE"

Comment- :applause: :applause:

"FELLAY THINKS THAT PROGRESSIVE MASSES LIKE SPIRIT OF ST. STEPHEN’S, WHERE LAY PEOPLE CONSECRATE THE BREAD, ARE JUST NOT CATHOLIC."

Comment-  :boxer: true, they are NOT![/color]

"Fellay-The Inquisition was not against the Jєωs. There I protest. It was much more a protection, to the Jєωs or to those who had convert to Catholicism and then lapsed. So
false conversion, but it was not against the Jєωs. When you look very closely to the text, you will see that the Inquisition is not so bad as it is presented today."

Comment-again,  :applause:

"Fellay-They don't care, being or not being excommunicated. They treat us as trash, as-- well, they ignore us. But-- they definitely don't deal with us as if we would be Catholics.
Many, many of them just don't want to hear anything about us."

Comment-have we all, SV and non-SV, been looked at and treated that way!!! Like lepers!

"BUT IN FELLAY’S WORLDVIEW, THE POPE IS “CAUGHT.” HE CAN’T ADMIT THAT VATICAN TWO WAS A RUPTURE IN THE 2000-YEAR TRADITION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH"

Comment-and there is the crux! he in his 80's will not be able to go either way easily, well, toward traditionalism, will be hard!

"John Allen-I mean, in other words, you can think of this as Benedict's a Pope who wants to have his cake and eat it, too. I mean, he wants to hold on to the positive reforms of the Second Vatican Council. But he also wants to hold on to the positive reforms of the second Vatican counsel but he also wants to recover and revivify-- in a sense, a lot of stuff that-- that people would think of a pre-Vatican II."

Comment-exactly, he wants it both ways.....cant be done!

"I think that if you go into most of the Novus Ordo churches, they’ve gotten rid of the crucifix. They’re not kneeling, they’re not genuflecting. The whole idea of penance and sacrifice is completely gone, and of course that is part of birth control, not having big families, not having a sacrificial life"

Comment-the lady is right, theirin is the issue....

"Tom Tuttle-We have 12 children and we went to the Novus Ordo church. We were kind of frowned upon for having so many children."

Comment-come over to traditionalism Tom, you rarely will be frowned on!

"Mary Herring-I was raised Novus Ordo as well. And in ‘97 my parents drug me up here. I didn’t want to come. I didn’t really have any faith. And all it took was a confession with Bishop
Williamson and I realized, “Wow! There’s something here.” And so as I kept coming back and having more and more good experiences and realized, this is it."

Comment-men and women want meat!! not silliness and all is well..it goes against the ingrained grace in our souls...something is wrong and we know it....

I could go on, but the rest you can read for yourselves-saying Christ would be for gαys,etc is plain  :heretic: :heretic: :heretic:. For me, I am tiredof "blame the prots game" or  :scared2: over Obama, to save our souls, nation, world, we need to have a cινιℓ ωαr and clean our own house and those claiming to be Catholics!!! Until then, no peace, nograce, no Social reign! Then again, blaming others is a way to avoid dealingwith real problem, which is not the little old Baptist lady, the Democrat,etc.....it is licenseto continue on the sme path, just see CAF!!