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Author Topic: D. Sedes are sad, lonely people  (Read 2224 times)

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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: D. Sedes are sad, lonely people
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2026, 02:10:01 PM »

I am a sedeprivationist.

I am the furthest from being sad and lonely. In fact, I really look forward to quiet times alone because my life is so active and so filled with people -- wonderful people.

Ergo, the OP's premise is retarded. :facepalm:  :laugh1: 

Online Stubborn

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Re: D. Sedes are sad, lonely people
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2026, 02:45:00 PM »
Sedevacantism does not come from being sad, lonely or isolated. Rather, it comes from devout Catholics who possess both common sense and logic.
DramaTom's OP aside, V1 explains it the best....
"If anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema."

Not sure where this so-called "common sense and logic" fits into the teaching of V1, but they're clear when they condemn with anathema anyone who says that popes are not popes.


Offline DecemRationis

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Re: D. Sedes are sad, lonely people
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2026, 02:55:47 PM »
DramaTom's OP aside, V1 explains it the best....
"If anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema."

Not sure where this so-called "common sense and logic" fits into the teaching of V1, but they're clear when they condemn with anathema anyone who says that popes are not popes.

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Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.

What we got here is a battle of the anathemas.

No. We need to have an understanding that fits with both. Either "anathema" doesn't mean separated from the Church/Body/Assembly, or V1 doesn't mean what you think it means.

Re: D. Sedes are sad, lonely people
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2026, 03:21:46 PM »
DramaTom's OP aside, V1 explains it the best....
"If anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema."

Not sure where this so-called "common sense and logic" fits into the teaching of V1, but they're clear when they condemn with anathema anyone who says that popes are not popes.
Yes, Vatican I teaches correctly that anyone who denies that the Roman pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter is anathema.

What you fail to realize is that anyone who calls himself a "Catholic" already believes that to be true. The real issue is whether or not the men who have claimed to be the Roman pontiff for so many decades are, in actuality, Roman pontiffs. If they are true Roman pontiffs, then to deny or disobey them would be anathema. However, that anathema does not apply to denying or disobeying false popes. Catholic teaching and history proves that these men claiming to be pope for nearly 70 years are false popes. 

You also fail to realize that, when one believes in every single papal power, it is logically impossible for the men who have claimed to be popes for nearly the past 70 years to actually be popes. This is because those men who have claimed to be popes for nearly the past 70 years absolutely contradict the preaching and teaching of all of the popes who came before them concerning faith and morals. Since it is impossible for popes to preach and teach error regarding faith or morals, it is also impossible to even believe that these men claiming to be popes are actually Roman pontiffs, let alone believe that they must be obeyed in any way.

Catholic teaching for nearly 2000 years proves all of this beyond any and all doubt. For anyone living today in 2026 as a self-professing "Catholic" who cannot realize this for himself is either of bad will or he lacks the intellectual courage to realize it.

Re: D. Sedes are sad, lonely people
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2026, 05:20:28 PM »
Being interested in psychology I always wonder what it is that leads people to do silly stupid immoral things.

Aside from the obvious answer, which is sin. The root cause. And the hierarchies of vice within that.

But human conditions contribute massively.

I think what leads a lot of people to make sedevacantism a dogma is generally a certain loneliness and isolation.

Trads generally suffer from this being so moral in an immoral world.

I always try to make sure that people understand that Dogmatic Sedes are generally trying their best to be good Cahtolics. I will never take that away from them. Certainly much better than our Novus Ordo contemporaries.


but what is that causes them to take that leap to make something which is an unprovable, (and not their place to judge anyway) thesis into a practical article of Faith.


It does indeed seem to be the opinion by the majority of theologians that a Pope is automatically deposed if he is a heretic.  But for context, that only seemed to become so in the 20th century. And despite the utterly ignorant protestations of certain losers on the internet, it was heavily disputed by great and holy theological minds for hundreds of years.

What was never disputed though was the moral obligation to distance oneself from things which are danger to the Faith. This goes right back to the first days of the Church.

So what leads a person to be so silly as to not see the difference? Aside from pride and malice, I think general loneliness and isolation causes a person to lack the social awareness, the mental balance to be able to put things in their proper place and proportion.

Isolation can also lead to a person exaggerate the importance of their own ideas in relation to articles of Faith, or even to not properly understand certain aspects of our religion and why God instituted them.

Honestly this would explain the extremely vicious and bitter behavior of these people on this forum. Their attempts to silence those who speak against them, to dox them, to generally do anything but face up to their own inadequacies.


Whats tragic is that many of these people are otherwise very intelligent and pious.

It does truly break my heart to see people like this therefore, and I want to help them.
Pride month is over.