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Offline CatholicInAmerica

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Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2019, 11:44:37 AM »
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  • I do want to clarify that I would never consider the Novus Ordo out of principle.  I was just yearning for an era in which I could just be a "normal" Catholic.  Sometimes as Traditional Catholics we can be tempted to fall into a mindset of "exceptionalism".  Of course, in every era of the Church there have been errors to combat and various other battles to be fought.  That's not what I'm talking about.  I'm talking about yearning for a normal, simple Catholic life where you could just walk down the street to your local Catholic church, visit the Blessed Sacrament, and receive the Sacraments ... and go about the business of saving our souls, instead of always being in polemic mode.
    Yea I completely agree.
    Jorge Bergoglio isn’t even a real priest.

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #61 on: July 09, 2019, 10:34:43 PM »
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  • No offense, but don't be stupid; my argument derives from considerations regarding the infallibility of the Magisterium.


    Up until a few minutes ago, you did everything but respond to Nishant's points; there was no relevant argument.

    Anyways, its hard not to be stupid when you're me.

    I'm sorry that I got upset.  This argument spills over from multiple other threads on the same subject, so there's a background that was implied.

    Between us here, what I don't "like" is Traditional Catholicism.  I can't stand it.  There's nothing I'd rather do than to be able to just be a normal Catholic, to be able to go to the Catholic church down the street for Mass and Confession and Eucharistic Adoration.  There's nothing I'd rather do than to stop having to deal with theological issues and get embroiled in constant polemic.  I would much rather just go to an FSSP Mass center or an Eastern Rite church, pray for the Holy Father Francis, and go about the business of saving my soul as a normal ordinary run-of-the-mill mainstream Catholic.  I'm tired of being a Traditional Catholic.  I just want to be a Catholic.  If I went by what I liked, I would be a Novus Ordo Catholic.  But my conscience simply will not permit that.  I often envy those who just blithely go to the Novus Ordo and haven't a care in the world.

    Just curious, why not an Eastern Rite church?

    I get why not the FSSP, since there are potential doubts about validity, from certain vantage points.


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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #62 on: July 11, 2019, 09:55:35 AM »
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  • Just curious, why not an Eastern Rite church?

    I get why not the FSSP, since there are potential doubts about validity, from certain vantage points.
    Don’t the eastern churches accept V2 and their popes and actions?
    Jorge Bergoglio isn’t even a real priest.

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #63 on: July 12, 2019, 06:19:35 PM »
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  • Today, we drove through my home town and several other blue collar towns and to see many beautiful and well built churches and schools tore down.  One lot is major convenience store.  Messed up and sad.  Rich parishes remained untouched.  

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #64 on: July 12, 2019, 06:21:44 PM »
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  • Vatican II is the new religion.  
    If Vatican II is so great then why is the Catholic Church disappearing and replaced with communist sodomite communities. 
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


    Offline King Wenceslas

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #65 on: July 13, 2019, 01:37:52 PM »
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  • Discussion can continue forever but the fact remains:


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    For this reason Jerome addresses Damasus thus: "My words are spoken to the successor of the Fisherman, to the disciple of the Cross....I communicate with none save your Blessedness, that is with the chair of Peter. For this I know is the rock on which the Church is built" (Ep. xv., ad Damasum, n. 2). Union with the Roman See of Peter is to him always the public criterion of a Catholic. "I acknowledge everyone who is united with the See of Peter" (Ep. xvi., ad Damasum, n. 2). And for a like reason St. Augustine publicly attests that, "the primacy of the Apostolic chair always existed in the Roman Church" (Ep. xliii., n. 7); and he denies that anyone who dissents from the Roman faith can be a Catholic. "You are not to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic faith if you do not teach that the faith of Rome is to be held" (Sermo cxx., n. 13). So, too, St. Cyprian: "To be in communion with Cornelius is to be in communion with the Catholic Church" (Ep. lv., n. 1). In the same way Maximus the Abbot teaches that obedience to the Roman Pontiff is the proof of the true faith and of legitimate communion. Therefore if a man does not want to be, or to be called, a heretic, let him not strive to please this or that man...but let him hasten before all things to be in communion with the Roman See.

    SATIS COGNITUM
     ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII


    To be a Catholic is to be united to the Holy See and the Chair of Peter and accept all that is taught in doctrine, dogma, and discipline. Anything else is to be not a Catholic.

    Can anyone after reading the above really accept the belief of R & R?

    If Francis is the Pope a Catholic must accept all that Francis teaches magisterially (Amoris Laetitia) or he is a heretic. The same goes for soon to be married priests. It is very simple.

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #66 on: July 13, 2019, 02:03:00 PM »
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  • Discussion can continue forever but the fact remains:



    To be a Catholic is to be united to the Holy See and the Chair of Peter and accept all that is taught in doctrine, dogma, and discipline. Anything else is to be not a Catholic.

    Can anyone after reading the above really accept the belief of R & R?

    If Francis is the Pope a Catholic must accept all that Francis teaches magisterially (Amoris Laetitia) or he is a heretic. The same goes for soon to be married priests. It is very simple.
    So then you have to do the same with “your” Pope, Benedict XVI. You must accept everything he has taught.

    You must accept the New Theology, Vatican II, the New Mass, and everything else.

    If Benedict is still the pope, it solves NOTHING!

    Why do you act like he is so much better than Francis?

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    Humble thy spirit very much: for the vengeance on the flesh of the ungodly is fire and worms. - Ecclesiasticus 7:18

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #67 on: July 13, 2019, 02:08:44 PM »
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  • So then you have to do the same with “your” Pope, Benedict XVI. You must accept everything he has taught.

    You must accept the New Theology, Vatican II, the New Mass, and everything else.

    If Benedict is still the pope, it solves NOTHING!

    Why do you act like he is so much better than Francis?

    https://images.app.goo.gl/32BUQbLw6Zt4UtRaA



    I don't see anything in the quote that would say every encyclical must be absolutely adhered to to be considered Catholic either.  That's not even what the quote says.


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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #68 on: July 13, 2019, 02:14:05 PM »
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  • So then you have to do the same with “your” Pope, Benedict XVI. You must accept everything he has taught.

    You must accept the New Theology, Vatican II, the New Mass, and everything else.

    If Benedict is still the pope, it solves NOTHING!

    Why do you act like he is so much better than Francis?

    https://images.app.goo.gl/32BUQbLw6Zt4UtRaA

    So you attack me based upon former positions that I believed in. Nice way of derailing of discussion on the R & R position.

    Pat yourself on the back and go away.

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #69 on: July 13, 2019, 02:18:40 PM »
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  • So you attack me based upon former positions that I believed in. Nice way of derailing of my position on the R & R position.

    Pat yourself on the back and go away.
    What?
    You posted this today pal... Have your positions changed in an hour?
    Humble thy spirit very much: for the vengeance on the flesh of the ungodly is fire and worms. - Ecclesiasticus 7:18

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #70 on: July 13, 2019, 02:22:17 PM »
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  • What?
    You posted this today pal... Have your positions changed in an hour?

    I am a sedevacantist. Can't you see that. I was attacking the R & R position by showing the impossible position one is put in by accepting Francis as a pope.


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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #71 on: July 13, 2019, 03:15:49 PM »
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  • I am a sedevacantist. Can't you see that. I was attacking the R & R position by showing the impossible position one is put in by accepting Francis as a pope.
    You are?  I just saw a post by you in one of nottamblas Benedict is still pope threads, and it sounded like you agreed with her.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #72 on: July 13, 2019, 03:23:24 PM »
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  • I know this is from 5 years ago, but I cannot state how much I agree. This crisis is no doubt a punishment from God, which the world has 100% earned. I pray everyday for it’s end because it stinks. I would love to be able to go to the church down the block and not have to drive 45 mins every Sunday, to not have to argue with novus ordo teachers about theology and such. One good thing comes from this though: it separates the strong from the weak and produces true Catholics who fight for Holy Mother Church. If I was living in the 50s or 40s there’s no way I would spend a s much time as I do now correcting error among people i know and being active (apart from going to mass on days of obligations and Sunday, praying the rosary, and going to confession) in my faith (researching).Sorry for the long post but I agreed with your comment so much I had to reply.
    45 minutes!?  Consider yourself one of the lucky ones.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #73 on: July 13, 2019, 04:48:36 PM »
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  • You are?  I just saw a post by you in one of nottamblas Benedict is still pope threads, and it sounded like you agreed with her.
    I thought the same thing - which is why I said what I said.
    Humble thy spirit very much: for the vengeance on the flesh of the ungodly is fire and worms. - Ecclesiasticus 7:18

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    Re: Cum Ex, sedeprivationism and sedevacantism
    « Reply #74 on: July 14, 2019, 01:42:12 PM »
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  • 45 minutes!?  Consider yourself one of the lucky ones.
    Not old enough to drive so it makes it tough since my parents aren’t Catholic.
    Jorge Bergoglio isn’t even a real priest.

     

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