What does a real Pope say?

Pius VI, Quod Aliquantam ( condemning the French Declaration of the Rights of Man )

"The necessary effect of the constitution decreed by the Assembly is to annihilate the Catholic Religion and, with her, the obedience owed to Kings. With this purpose it establishes as a right of man in society this absolute liberty that not only insures the right to be indifferent to religious opinions, but also grants full license to freely think, speak, write and even print whatever one wishes on religious matters – even the most disordered imaginings. It is a monstrous right, which the Assembly claims, however, results from equality and the natural liberties of all men.

But what could be more unwise than to establish among men this equality and this uncontrolled liberty, which stifles all reason, the most precious gift nature gave to man, the one that distinguishes him from animals?

What does Our Lady think about what Ratzinger just said?

"NOVENA TO OUR LADY OF RANSOM

Thou alone, O Mary, canst break the inextricable chains, in which the cunning prince of darkness entangles the dupes he has deceived by the high-sounding names of equality and liberty."

Maybe Ratzinger was just having a bad day... Whoops!

"Cardinal" Ratzinger, Principles of Catholic Theology, 1987 --

"Let us be content to say here that the text serves as a countersyllabus and, as such, represents on the part of the Church, an attempt at an official reconciliation with the new era inaugurated in 1789. Only from this perspective can we understand, on the one hand, the ghetto-mentality, of which we have spoken above; only from this perspective can we understand, on the other hand, the meaning of the remarkable meeting of the Church and the world."

1789 was the year the Declaration of the Rights of Man went into effect, the one condemned by Pius VI in the encyclical above.

So he was speaking like a Mason in 1987, supporting what was condemned explicitly by Pius VI, and he's still doing it in 2010.

What is your defense?  Anyone, anyone?  Ratzinger is just accidentally spouting pure Masonic propaganda, without knowing what he's saying, he is mentally ill?

Are you being deliberately dense? Only an idiot or a child or a blind fool would not be able to tell that the Pope is trying to turn the secular ideals of the Revolution around on modernity by changing the commonly held meaning of those terms and saying they are being contradictory by not giving religion a fair hearing and including it in these three "virtues".

The proper criticism here is that the Pope is wasting his time trying to convince secularists to play nice and give faith a fair hearing appealing to the secularists own principles. This is the same stupidly naive outlook of John Courtney Murray and DH and it has failed miserably. It's the "please won't you like us and give us a chance" mentality since VCII which results in more irrelevancy and kicks in the teeth from modernity.

He even says in the quote above, from Principles of Catholic Theology, that the "text" ( Gaudium et Spes ) is a Counter-syllabus, referring to Pius IX's Syllabus of Errors.  

Do you understand?  He is openly flouting the teaching of Pius IX, he believes that VII contradicts Pius IX and yet he supports it ( whether or not Gaudium et Spes really does contradict Pius IX, which I don't know ).  

This shows clear intention to break with true Church teaching.  The Syllabus of Errors was not disciplinary, it was about faith and morals, it cannot be changed or updated or altered.  

Ratzinger also says that Gaudium et Spes reconciles with 1789, which is when the Declaration of the Rights of Man was promoted.  He is openly favorable to this development.  This is Masonic, not Catholic.  Just like what he said yesterday was Masonic.  

And yet you claim he's against liberty, equality and fraternity, he's trying to "turn it around" and reconcile it with Catholicism?  

Basically, stevus, he is calling for a one-world religion, and by doing so is calling for a nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. And this isn't the first time he has done it. By equality, he means we're all "equal" on this earth. I think that recently Benedict has lost his mind. Just when you think he's starting to make some progress, he turns around and does something liberal. That's a sign of a modernist.

I think that recently Benedict has lost his mind. Just when you think he's starting to make some progress, he turns around and does something liberal. That's a sign of a modernist.

To pretend he has lost his mind, while convenient, is contrary to the evidence.  He is a sharp as ever, and the inclusion of "conservative" words and actions is merely part of his MO.  It is the same in all the high places.  That is how they get people to go along with their evil agenda -- throw the 'bulldogs' an occasional bone.  If this way of operating were not visible at all levels of society, one might be excused from not seeing it.  However, this tactic is practically universal at this late stage of the game.  Only the willfully blind cannot see it.

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I think that recently Benedict has lost his mind. Just when you think he's starting to make some progress, he turns around and does something liberal. That's a sign of a modernist.

To pretend he has lost his mind, while convenient, is contrary to the evidence.  He is a sharp as ever, and the inclusion of "conservative" words and actions is merely part of his MO.  It is the same in all the high places.  That is how they get people to go along with their evil agenda -- throw the 'bulldogs' an occasional bone.  If this way of operating were not visible at all levels of society, one might be excused from not seeing it.  However, this tactic is practically universal at this late stage of the game.  Only the willfully blind cannot see it.

He has lost his mind. I'm not saying he was ever Traditional, but anyone who at any point in their life becomes a modernist has lost their mind and rejected their conscience.

SpiritusSanctus said:

I'm not saying he was ever Traditional, but anyone who at any point in their life becomes a modernist has lost their mind and rejected their conscience.

Is there something in between a Trad and a Modernist?

Maybe a liberal Catholic?  Alas, Ratzinger does not qualify for that, as he is not Catholic at all.  

You know, SS, the very DEFINITION of a Modernist is someone who mixes truth with heresy.  Somehow in our times people have gotten the impression that, if a heretic goes out and says something orthodox, it somehow wipes out his previous heresy, like a kind of Etch-a-Sketch being shaken, like he can say "Oh, I'm freeing the Latin Mass!!!" and he has an instant clean slate.  But that's not how it works.

While it's impossible to say for sure if someone is deliberately out to deceive, there is a diabolic timing to the actions and words of Ratzinger's that is geared towards maximum spiritual destruction.  He is either being used willingly or unwillingly by the devil.  I guess it is theoretically possible that he is too smart for his own good and really believes that he is improving on the Catholic religion, like Luther.  That doesn't excuse him, of course.