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Re: R&R View On The Post V2 Canonizations?
« Reply #120 on: October 11, 2020, 06:50:59 AM »
Ex cathedra statements are meant to re-teach and clarify what has always been believed.  Of course, Guardian Angels are part of Tradition. Was the 1950s dogma of the Assumption new?  Of course not.  But it was defined precisely because Protestants were denying/attacking Our Lady. If there’s ever an error which starts denying angels, then the Church may have to define their existence, to remind everyone of Truth.  That’s what infallibility is for.  
Yes.  And then protestants (I know from experience) would start making the ridiculous "guardian angels wasn't defined until 2022" argument.

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Re: R&R View On The Post V2 Canonizations?
« Reply #121 on: October 11, 2020, 09:41:28 AM »
Stubborn, Catholic theologians teach that the Pope IS infallibly safe to follow in his universal teachings, laws and disciplines. His Magisterium can not contain any pernicious error. Do you have any sources to back up your claim that the Pope is not infallibly safe to follow? How do you know what to believe?
For this subject matter, the only source needed is the conciliar popes themselves, since following them has proven the theologians' speculations to be at least mistaken. We know what to believe because we believe what the Church has always taught, therefore we must not believe any of V2's new doctrines.


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…[T]his sacred Office of Teacher in matters of faith and morals must be the proximate and universal criterion of truth for all theologians, since to it has been entrusted by Christ Our Lord the whole deposit of faith — Sacred Scripture and divine Tradition — to be preserved, guarded and interpreted…. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: “He who heareth you, heareth me” [Lk 10:16]; and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine.

(Encyclical Humani Generis, nn. 18, 20)
No, we firmly hold to the teaching of the Church which is why we must necessarily reject Bergoglio. You reject the Catholic teaching to have Bergoglio as your “Pope”. But, you’ve reduced the Papacy to a mere formality since you decide which of his teachings you will accept.
We’re not rejecting the teaching of the Church, we are rejecting a certain man who claims to be the Pope.
We have no need and the Church has never permitted the faithful to reject the pope as pope when he is even in grave error in order for the faithful to keep and persevere in the faith, in fact it is contrary to, and a rejection of defined dogma to do so. 

You said "we firmly hold to the teaching of the Church" which teaching you say means "we must necessarily reject Bergoglio". I ask you to please post that teaching of the Church.

Suppose for a second that the Chair is Vacant for the last 60 years, yet YOU know the faith - according to your reasoning,  how is that possible?




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Re: R&R View On The Post V2 Canonizations?
« Reply #122 on: October 11, 2020, 09:43:40 AM »
For example, Catholics believe in Guardian Angels. There has never been an ex cathedra pronouncement on their existence. How do you know this isn’t erroneous?
On October 2nd, the Church celebrates the Feast of the Guardian Angels. That we all have a guardian angel is of the faith, it is a part of the faith because the Church has always taught it, and because it has been believed always and everywhere by all of the faithful.