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Correct Version of the Our Lady of Fatima Prayer
« on: May 26, 2015, 11:25:24 AM »
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  • O my Jesus, forgive us our sins! Save us from the fires of Hell! Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need.

    Or

    O my Jesus, forgive us our sins! Save us from the fires of Hell! Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy].

    I have heard the first one was correct and guessed the last sentence was referring to those souls in Purgatory.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Correct Version of the Our Lady of Fatima Prayer
    « Reply #1 on: May 26, 2015, 11:32:30 AM »
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    O my Jesus, forgive us our sins! Save us from the fires of Hell! Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need.

    Or

    O my Jesus, forgive us our sins! Save us from the fires of Hell! Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy].

    I have heard the first one was correct and guessed the last sentence was referring to those souls in Purgatory.


    What about this:

    O My Jesus, forgive us our sins!  Save us from the fires of Hell!  Lead all souls to Heaven, especial those souls in Purgatory who are most forgotten.



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    Correct Version of the Our Lady of Fatima Prayer
    « Reply #2 on: May 26, 2015, 12:32:24 PM »
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    O my Jesus, forgive us our sins! Save us from the fires of Hell! Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need.

    Or

    O my Jesus, forgive us our sins! Save us from the fires of Hell! Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy].

    I have heard the first one was correct and guessed the last sentence was referring to those souls in Purgatory.


    What about this:

    O My Jesus, forgive us our sins!  Save us from the fires of Hell!  Lead all souls to Heaven, especial those souls in Purgatory who are most forgotten.



    Not bad.  But I wish their was an official version somewhere we could look to.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #3 on: May 26, 2015, 12:49:53 PM »
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  • Another example"

    O My Jesus, forgive us our sins and save us from the Fires of Hell!  Lead all souls to Heaven but most especially the abandoned souls in Purgatory.

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    Correct Version of the Our Lady of Fatima Prayer
    « Reply #4 on: May 26, 2015, 01:08:19 PM »
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  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_Prayers

    According to the book Our Lady of Fátima by William Thomas Walsh (Macmillan, 1947), in an interview with the author,[1] Sr. Lucia states that "The correct form is the one I have written in my account of the apparition of July 13: 'O my Jesus, pardon us, and save us from the fire of hell; draw all souls to heaven, especially those most in need.'" This version does not have the commonly added phrase "of thy mercy" at the end of it.

    It also gives the original Portuguese in a footnote: "Ó meu Jesus, perdoai-nos e livrai nos do fogo do inferno; levai as alminhas todas para o Céu, principalmente aquelas que mais precisarem." The third petition, "levai as alminhas todas para o Céu" is more accurately translated as "lead all little souls toward heaven." "Little souls" is a term of endearment among Portuguese Catholics for the souls in Purgatory, equivalent to the phrase in English "poor souls." The context of the phrase refers to the deliverance of all souls from purgatory into heaven; and thus this petition never signified universal salvation.[2]

    So it would be:

    O my Jesus, pardon us, and save us from the fire of hell; draw all souls to heaven, especially those most in need.

    Or:

    O my Jesus, pardon us, and save us from the fire of hell; lead all little souls toward heaven, especially those most in need.

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #5 on: May 26, 2015, 01:19:40 PM »
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  • http://www.holyromancatholicchurch.org/articles/FatimaPrayer.htm

    The True Fatima Prayer

    "O my Jesus, forgive us and save us from the fire of Hell, lead all poor
    souls toward Heaven, especially those who are most in need."

    I ran across this article on the Web and I confirmed the stated words of The Blessed Mother as recorded by Sr. Lucia on a different Portuguese website that had photocopies from her diary (See the attachments). It makes one wonder how such a blatant mistranslation could occur and to what end. You would think that when it came to translating the words of the Blessed Virgin Mary, you would take exquisite care in the translation. The effects of the mistranslation as summarized by Br. Bugnolo are especially distressing . My family and I now say the Fatima Prayer as Our Lady intended. --HRCC

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    In English this prayer is commonly called, "The Fatima Prayer"; in
    Portuguese, "O meu Jesus" prayer.

    --The Portuguese Text is sometimes given as:

    O meu Jesus, perdoai-nos e livrai-nos do fogo do inferno. Levai as almas
    todas para o Ceu, e socorrei principalmente aquelas que mais precisarem.


    **But the actual words of Our Lady, according to Sr. Lucia are:

    O meu Jesus, perdoai-nos e livrai-nos do fogo do inferno, levai as alminhas
    todas para o Ceu, principalmente aquelas que mais precisarem".

    Even if you have not studied Portuguese, you can examine both versions and
    find the textual differences.


    --In English we commonly use the translation of the first version of the
    text, cited just above, which is:

    O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all
    souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy.


    The more accurate version would be the translation of Our Lady's actual
    words, as Sr. Lucia reports them:

    ** "O my Jesus, forgive us and save us from the fire of Hell, lead all poor
    souls toward Heaven, especially those who are most in need." **

    literally "O my Jesus, you pardon us, you exempt us of the fire of the hell;

    you take little souls all for the Sky, mainly those that more to need. "
     



    This would be more theologically accurate, since there is ontologically
    only 1 fire of Hell, not "fires of Hell", and the poor souls are not only
    lead "to Heaven" but up ever closer "toward Heaven" through the various
    stages of purification. And, the needs of the poor souls are not only
    those respecting God's "mercy", but of our prayers and sacrifices and merits.

    Finally, the punctuation of the actual text is more theologically accurate,
    since it contains 3 petitions: forgiveness, salvation, and leading of the
    poor souls: we pray for the first and the second for ourselves; but the
    first so that we may merit the third for poor souls. And we pray to be
    saved from the fire of Hell and for the poor souls, because according to
    the Saints, it is the same fire in Hell and purgatory.


    Sincerely in Christ,

    Br. Alexis Bugnolo"
     

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    and also......

     

    I would point out that this English translation is not exactly correct;
    because the Portuguese does not say "souls", but "little souls", a term of
    endearment among Portuguese Catholics for the souls in Purgatory, equivalent
    to our phrase "poor souls". The the context of the phrase refers to the
    deliverance of all souls from purgatory into heaven; and thus never
    signified universal salvation.

    I believe that there are a few articles on this point on the web somewhere.

    Sincerely in Christ,

    Br. Alexis Bugnolo
    The Franciscan Archive"

    Copy of the Fatima Prayer in Sr. Lucia's handwriting

    Copy of the Fatima Prayer in Portuguese

     
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #6 on: May 26, 2015, 01:27:36 PM »
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    According to the book Our Lady of Fátima by William Thomas Walsh (Macmillan, 1947), in an interview with the author,[1] Sr. Lucia states that "The correct form is the one I have written in my account of the apparition of July 13: 'O my Jesus, pardon us, and save us from the fire of hell; draw all souls to heaven, especially those most in need.'" This version does not have the commonly added phrase "of thy mercy" at the end of it.

    It also gives the original Portuguese in a footnote: "Ó meu Jesus, perdoai-nos e livrai nos do fogo do inferno; levai as alminhas todas para o Céu, principalmente aquelas que mais precisarem." The third petition, "levai as alminhas todas para o Céu" is more accurately translated as "lead all little souls toward heaven." "Little souls" is a term of endearment among Portuguese Catholics for the souls in Purgatory, equivalent to the phrase in English "poor souls." The context of the phrase refers to the deliverance of all souls from purgatory into heaven;


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    « Reply #7 on: May 26, 2015, 02:08:41 PM »
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  • In Portuguese the Novus Ordo Catholics use ending "in most need of Thy Divine Mercy".  Traditionalists refuse to make use of this prayer because it is a reference to Sister Faustina.  The English version is most probably a similar adaptation which should be disregarded as well.  How these modifications spread across various languages and cultures is puzzling.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #8 on: May 26, 2015, 06:27:24 PM »
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  • I always thought and was taught that the "Poor Souls" mentioned in this prayer were the souls (on earth) who had no one to pray for them as Mother encouraged the 3 children to pray especially for these souls.

    The "Poor Souls" in purgatory are not in danger of the fire of hell.

    "Lead all souls to Heaven especially those in most need of Thy Mercy"  would suggest  souls not yet judged who are still in great danger of being lost which would be a greater need than the souls in Purgatory who are assured of Heaven.

    Just another interpretation.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 26, 2015, 06:44:17 PM »
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  • My sedevacantist friend prays a different version of the Fatima prayer in his Rosary. He says the true prayer is "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. Have pity on the poor souls in purgatory, especially those most abandoned." He believes the prayer that most pray is a modernist replacement of the true Fatima prayer meant to lead people into believing in universal salvation (asking Our Lord to lead "all souls" to heaven).
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    « Reply #10 on: May 27, 2015, 07:52:04 AM »
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    My sedevacantist friend prays a different version of the Fatima prayer in his Rosary. He says the true prayer is "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. Have pity on the poor souls in purgatory, especially those most abandoned." He believes the prayer that most pray is a modernist replacement of the true Fatima prayer meant to lead people into believing in universal salvation (asking Our Lord to lead "all souls" to heaven).


    There's nothing Modernist about the prayer in its most commonly used form. It's not saying "all souls will be led to Heaven" (which would be heretical), but rather beseeches Our Lord to lead all souls to Heaven. God, after all, "(does) not will... that any should perish" (2 Peter iii:ix) even though He has perfect knowledge that many (indeed, probably most) souls will perish through their own fault. Likewise, we should desire the conversion and salvation of all souls, and beseech Almighty God for it, even though we know full well most will reject it.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 27, 2015, 08:33:07 AM »
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    My sedevacantist friend prays a different version of the Fatima prayer in his Rosary. He says the true prayer is "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. Have pity on the poor souls in purgatory, especially those most abandoned." He believes the prayer that most pray is a modernist replacement of the true Fatima prayer meant to lead people into believing in universal salvation (asking Our Lord to lead "all souls" to heaven).


    Some SVs get a little paranoid.  Praying for the salvation of all is NOT the same thing as universal salvation.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 27, 2015, 11:50:18 AM »
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    My sedevacantist friend prays a different version of the Fatima prayer in his Rosary. He says the true prayer is "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. Have pity on the poor souls in purgatory, especially those most abandoned." He believes the prayer that most pray is a modernist replacement of the true Fatima prayer meant to lead people into believing in universal salvation (asking Our Lord to lead "all souls" to heaven).


    Some SVs get a little paranoid.  Praying for the salvation of all is NOT the same thing as universal salvation.


    .........."lead all souls to heaven....especially those who are most desirous of thy mercy............."

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    Re: Correct Version of the Our Lady of Fatima Prayer
    « Reply #13 on: October 08, 2020, 09:30:56 AM »
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  • This site gives a pretty good argument that the original prayer as intended by our Lady and understood by Sr. Lucia was for the souls of sinners, not the souls in Purgatory:

    https://crc-internet.org/our-doctrine/catholic-counter-reformation/whole-truth-fatima/6-july-13/appendices-ii.html

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    Re: Correct Version of the Our Lady of Fatima Prayer
    « Reply #14 on: October 08, 2020, 11:55:06 AM »
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    the original prayer as intended by our Lady and understood by Sr. Lucia was for the souls of sinners, not the souls in Purgatory:

    Agree.  That's why the prayer says "forgive us our sins", "save us from the fires of hell" and lead all souls "to heaven".
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    None of those things apply to the souls in Purgatory.