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Title: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Mr G on September 04, 2017, 12:03:33 PM
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2017/09/cornelia-ferreira-comes-out-swinging-in.html


What’s Going on at the Fatima Center?
By

Cornelia R. Ferreira

 

 On August 28th, aka Catholic published a rather prescient blog (https://akacatholic.com/the-cardinal-prince-of-the-new-fatima-center/) on an emerging “new” Fatima Center. In this posting, Louie Verrecchio observed that the Fatima Center (FC) was lessening its fight against errors, especially those concerning the Fatima Message, errors that the FC would have vigorously fought under Father Nicholas Gruner.

 In other words, the Fatima Center is moving away from Traditionalism (which abhors error) towards the conservative position (which ignores error so long as it’s mixed with some truth).

 Unknown to Louie was that at the precise time of his August 28th post, the new direction was being confirmed in a startling set of letters mailed to American donors from the Fatima Center in Fort Erie, Ontario, the headquarters of Father Nicholas Gruner’s Fatima Apostolate.

 The letters announce a change in the Apostolate’s organizational structure from that set up by Fr. Gruner. On top of that, disturbing accusations against their American co-workers in the letters have shocked and confused readers, who are asking, “What’s going on at the Fatima Center?”

 As a long-time associate of Fr. Gruner and the FC, l have been asked if I could shed some light on these letters, which I received from a friend, and which were as much a surprise to me as to their recipients.

 I cannot purport to answer the nebulous allegations themselves, nor what triggered their publication; I leave that to the “accused” to address. However, there are errors and inconsistenicies in the letters themselves, to which it is possible to respond.

 The Fatima Center is incorporated under the name “The National Committee for the National Pilgrim Virgin of Canada” (NPV). Let’s first consider its letter of August 22nd, signed by mere managers and some Board Directors (incredibly, at least one other Director, Coralie Graham, was kept in the dark about it).

 The NPV declares it is “necessary to sever [its] connection” with its sister corporation, Servants of Jesus and Mary (SJM), in Constable, New York, because it is this branch of the Apostolate that is allegedly going in a different direction than that established by Fr. Gruner.

 SJM is supposedly “changing the mission of The Fatima Center” by trying to involve it in “several controversial issues within the Church.” Indeed, things are so bad that the FC feels it’s being “sidetracked or prevented from making the ENTIRE Fatima Message understood and followed by EVERYONE.” (The emphasis is theirs.)

 Coming from an organization that excitedly praises a Cardinal (Raymond Burke) who is spreading a fake Fatima Message, this is effrontery at its finest.

 But, the FC barrels ahead with the vague accusation that the SJM has also recently “begun to make arbitrary decisions that negatively affect the operational effectiveness of the apostolate and hinder us from carrying out our mission.”

 Further, it has “pushed for The Fatima Center to change direction and become more radical in its orientation.” (What do they mean by “orientation”? The uncompromising Traditionalism of the old FC, or the conciliatory Conservative-traditionalism being embraced by the new?)

 And so, “to preserve Father Gruner’s legacy and the integrity of The Fatima Center’s mission,” says the letter’s signatories, “we find it necessary to sever our connection with SJM.”

 To keep the donations flowing, the FC has set up a new American branch, The Fatima Center USA Inc.

 With absolutely no details, examples, or evidence provided of the SJM’s wrongdoings, these baseless allegations from the NPV/Fatima Center could certainly be construed as libellous.

 And just how scurrilous the allegations are can be seen when one considers the history of SJM and its close working relationship with NPV.

 Servants of Jesus and Mary was not set up by Fr. Gruner, nor as merely a mail clearing-house, as the letter from The Fatima Center paints it. Presumably to make the dismissal of SJM seem unimportant, the FC tries to downplay SJM’s importance, claiming it was not involved in the production of literature nor in any decision-making about its own work.

 Servants of Jesus and Mary was founded by Fr. Michael Jarecki in the late 70’s as a spiritual organization promoting the message of Fatima. Some years later its members began helping out as volunteers in Fr. Gruner’s apostolate. Even later, under its original name, it began to facilitate the extension of Fr. Gruner’s work into the USA, and it also became involved in the production of literature for the Fatima Center. Both priests worked closely together, with Fr. Gruner being the President of both boards. All major decisions were made by both boards.

 Returning to the FC letter, we note a puzzling signature: that of Andrew Cesanek, listed as Vice-President of the FC. But at the time he signed the letter, he was Vice-President of SJM, the same supposedly delinquent organization he was divorcing! How curious that he would tar himself with the same brush.

 As to the FC’s claim that “Catholics of good will can disagree” on (undefined) “controversial issues,” it itself seems to display zero tolerance for those who disagree with it or raise uncomfortable topics. Bear in mind that the “new” Center is not focused on correcting errors, and is instead exhibiting a type of Catholic “ecuмenism” (which I defined (https://akacatholic.com/the-consecration-of-russia-at-the-expense-of-souls/) earlier), seeking unity with conservatives.

 Could this be why not just the SJM, but the following three individuals “of good will” have also fallen afoul of the Fatima Center?

 For instance, Fr. Paul Kramer, President of the SJM Board, had been invited to address the Fatima Conference in California in September, but was very recently dis-invited. Most people know Father is a world-renowned Fatima expert who was a friend and close collaborator of Fr. Gruner since they were seminarians. Father Kramer has been working on the subject of whether Francis is a true Pope, a topic that Fr. Gruner himself raised (https://akacatholic.com/did-fr-gruner-consider-francis-an-anti-pope/) shortly before his death.

 Louie Verrechio, another invited speaker, suffered the same fate shortly after posting my article (https://akacatholic.com/fatima-through-the-lens-of-vatican-ii-as-illustrated-by-raymond-cardinal-burke/) critical of Cardinal Burke’s Fatima speech at the Rome Life Forum (after the article was turned down by Catholic Family News).

 Coralie Graham, who worked side-by-side with Fr. Gruner for over three decades and was editor of The Fatima Crusader for more than a quarter century, was abruptly shown the door a short while ago. Of all Father’s staff, she was probably the closest in thinking to him. She has always insisted on truth and the Catholic duty of correcting error.

 Now what is truly mind-boggling is that the letter terminating the Servants of Jesus and Mary was also signed by two managers of the FC. Since when do employees have the power to get rid of a Board of Directors, especially that of another corporation? These managers have certainly built up their own “team” in the letter.

 The second letter, from the Advisory Council of Priests, indicates that even these priest advisers have been convinced that it is the managers who are singularly responsible for the apostolate. The priests imply the Fort Erie managers and staff are the only ones trained and trusted by Fr. Gruner to do his work, leading one to unjustly conclude that their American co-workers are not as “good and dedicated” as they.

 Interestingly, although the Fatima Center lists five priests on its Advisory Council (as per its Winter 2017 Fatima Center News publication), only three of them signed the letter. Why did the other two not sign?
We await a response from Servants of Jesus and Mary to the letters sent out by The Fatima Center. The scandalous allegations and the questions they raise need to be addressed sooner rather than later, because people around the world are confused and perturbed by this lamentable split in Father Gruner’s apostolate
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Incredulous on September 04, 2017, 04:33:07 PM
Maybe the Fatima Center coupe d 'etat could be better understood if we peeled the onion more?

Does anyone know what involvement the SSPX has in the Fatima Center and Father Gruner's other publishing business, Catholic Family News ?

Is it just a coincidence that Fr. Albert, the AWOL Avrille, Dominican, started showing-up at the Fatima Center around the time his faux SSPX Dominican gig was folding in Belgium?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/11NcXdacM18/maxresdefault.jpg)

Oh brother, and look at the topic Father Albert wants to chat about at the Fatima Center?  

(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=ca43f1dc97&view=fimg&th=15e3a2e543243ad9&attid=0.0.2&disp=emb&realattid=ii_15e3a1f37b35fbd8&attbid=ANGjdJ8ZjpwqbVSJiWBKDq_Fad6V1A-pp9-zGW6Gy0NQeiEc80qLm7WmVrV2VK0AVC0biADDm9Y1aU_6uBFlo4sbSqH9-wPPJGNr4sSJLk73UcnlBAv6yiy2wMYIhd0&sz=w1126-h632&ats=1504559500006&rm=15e3a2e543243ad9&zw&atsh=1)
 The re-branded SSPX team attends to Fr. Gruner's funeral


Good old Bp. Fellay, with his track record of covert operations:
from Krahgate, to the Jaidhoffs, to re-branding +ABL's religious order, ranks as one of the "sneakiest" of the sneakies.
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: DZ PLEASE on September 04, 2017, 05:01:05 PM
Maybe a really sweet pen set for the first 100 callers...
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: josefamenendez on September 04, 2017, 05:07:30 PM
We pulled our monthly donation from the Fatima Center- the infiltration by the "conservative"  NO neo-modernist cabal  (after the deaths of both Fr Gruner and John Vennnari) was too ugly. Shades of the Blue Army back in the day.
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 04, 2017, 07:09:15 PM
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I was a bit surprised to find that friends who are also supporters of Fr. Gruner's work were seemingly afraid to find out about the several topics posted by Peter Chojnowski on his website. Only two of about 7 friends were so much as interested in looking up the site for themselves. The rest did all they could to change the subject when I brought it up!

When I mentioned the controversy and disturbance between the Fatima Center USA and the Fatima Center Canada, one friend who only recently found Tradition appeared to go into shock because she had only recently started to overcome her grief consequent to the post-Vat.II turmoil she had left behind in her Novus Ordo parish. She had thought she had found stability in the TLM with independent priests and now THIS. She's got one foot in the door at CMRI but doesn't care for their "Francis-is-not-the-Pope" message, but now here we go with the same thing from Fr. Kramer!!
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I realize it doesn't take a genius to figure out there will be people upset upon hearing this news -- people that are hoping to find consolation and stability at Mass and in the Sermon and in conversation with friends of like faith -- but I thought that my small world of experience might be of help to some of the CI members.
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Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 04, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
Maybe the Fatima Center coupe d 'etat could be better understood if we peeled the onion more?

Does anyone know what involvement the SSPX has in the Fatima Center and Father Gruner's other publishing business, Catholic Family News ?

Is it just a coincidence that Fr. Albert, the AWOL Avrille, Dominican, started showing-up at the Fatima Center around the time his faux SSPX Dominican gig was folding in Belgium?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/11NcXdacM18/maxresdefault.jpg)

Oh brother, and look at the topic Father Albert wants to chat about at the Fatima Center?  

(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=ca43f1dc97&view=fimg&th=15e3a2e543243ad9&attid=0.0.2&disp=emb&realattid=ii_15e3a1f37b35fbd8&attbid=ANGjdJ8ZjpwqbVSJiWBKDq_Fad6V1A-pp9-zGW6Gy0NQeiEc80qLm7WmVrV2VK0AVC0biADDm9Y1aU_6uBFlo4sbSqH9-wPPJGNr4sSJLk73UcnlBAv6yiy2wMYIhd0&sz=w1126-h632&ats=1504559500006&rm=15e3a2e543243ad9&zw&atsh=1)
 The re-branded SSPX team attends to Fr. Gruner's funeral


Good old Bp. Fellay, with his track record of covert operations:
from Krahgate, to the Jaidhoffs, to re-branding +ABL's religious order, ranks as one of the "sneakiest" of the sneakies.
Check out the empty box right above your sentence, "The re-branded SSPX team attends to Fr. Guner's funeral." 
Whatever you wrote there did not come through in the final post copy. 
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 05, 2017, 12:02:09 PM
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Interestingly, although the Fatima Center lists five priests on its Advisory Council (as per its Winter 2017 Fatima Center News publication), only three of them signed the letter. Why did the other two not sign?
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The referenced page,
http://www.fatima.org/news/bulletin/pdf/fatima_center_news_winter_2017.pdf
has the following 5 priests with their bio:
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Fr. David Phillipson
Msgr. Patrick Perez
Fr. Albert Kallio, O.P.
Fr. Paul McDonald
Fr. Michael E. Rodriguez
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The first and last of these were absent in the letter posted at
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2017/08/fatima-center-splits-what-are.html
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Also, it might be worth while to find out who composed the letter. Was it one of the three who signed it, or a ghost writer? At most, I would suppose that one of the three priests wrote it and asked the other two to sign. What could the possibility be of one or more of these 3 priests to have given permission for their signature(s) to appear without their having read the final copy? But at least, it would be revealing to find out what they have to say about the subsequent developments, or whether they would still sign the same letter today knowing what has transpired since its date of "August 2017." (Was it early August, mid August or late August? The letter was posted online in the last few days of August.)
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(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Os3_aqdMxXI/Waa4bCZkGBI/AAAAAAAAAPk/Y8MupVFtt_UQ1UNC9peyEs18J5FnX5A8QCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0264.JPG)
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This copy appears to have room for only 3 signatories at the bottom. Certainly, two more could be added below them but the template for the letter was not one that provided theirs as well. Do they have a variety of templates on file for various combinations of signers? This version of template has only these 3 priests with their names in the top header as well as in the signatories area. Is there another template for all 5 priests or more templates for other permutations? Was this letter produced as an original and physically signed by these 3 priests, or did someone compose it via e-mail or a web link using software? Why is there a "+" following Fr. Albert's signature, or, is it a plus sign between his name and Fr. McDonald's? If it's a part of the last signature it would normally be construed as a code for episcopal consecration.
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 05, 2017, 12:11:34 PM
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Good old Bp. Fellay, with his track record of covert operations:

from Krahgate, to the Jaidhoffs, to re-branding +ABL's religious order, ranks as one of the "sneakiest" of the sneakies.
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His counsel, Max Krah, fully understands the principle that those against whom one is building a case cannot defend themselves against it if they have no idea it's being compiled or of what it consists. Therefore overcoming an enemy by the element of surprise makes it a done deal in advance.
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In his own words, it's already completed but for the "rubber stamp."
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Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on September 05, 2017, 01:16:46 PM
Maybe the Fatima Center coupe d 'etat could be better understood if we peeled the onion more?

Does anyone know what involvement the SSPX has in the Fatima Center and Father Gruner's other publishing business, Catholic Family News ?

Is it just a coincidence that Fr. Albert, the AWOL Avrille, Dominican, started showing-up at the Fatima Center around the time his faux SSPX Dominican gig was folding in Belgium?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/11NcXdacM18/maxresdefault.jpg)

Oh brother, and look at the topic Father Albert wants to chat about at the Fatima Center?  

(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=ca43f1dc97&view=fimg&th=15e3a2e543243ad9&attid=0.0.2&disp=emb&realattid=ii_15e3a1f37b35fbd8&attbid=ANGjdJ8ZjpwqbVSJiWBKDq_Fad6V1A-pp9-zGW6Gy0NQeiEc80qLm7WmVrV2VK0AVC0biADDm9Y1aU_6uBFlo4sbSqH9-wPPJGNr4sSJLk73UcnlBAv6yiy2wMYIhd0&sz=w1126-h632&ats=1504559500006&rm=15e3a2e543243ad9&zw&atsh=1)
 The re-branded SSPX team attends to Fr. Gruner's funeral


Good old Bp. Fellay, with his track record of covert operations:
from Krahgate, to the Jaidhoffs, to re-branding +ABL's religious order, ranks as one of the "sneakiest" of the sneakies.


Since I saw this thread:  https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/steffeshausen-dominicans-fail/msg560649/#msg560649  I've been wondering if Fr. Albert gave up the phony "Dominican" Order to wreck havoc at FC under the same direction?
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 05, 2017, 01:27:55 PM
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Christopher Ferrara posted his own contribution today (http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/oc/perspective1077.asp) on the new Fatima.org site (which has the newly-created Fatima Center USA, Inc. as a partner) in which he mumbles ambiguous accusations against unnamed Internet "bloggers" (like whom, Fr. Paul Kramer? Cornelia Ferreira? Louis Verrecchio? Peter Chonjowski? Trad Cat Knight? Greg Taylor? Matthew McDevitt? TomGubbinsKimmage? Laramie Hirsch??  He doesn't say!!). 
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His piece of ____ reads like a propaganda screed from Menzingen, warning seminarians to avoid the diabolical Internet at all cost --- the near occasion of sin!!
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...Bloggers of this sort crave one thing they labor ceaselessly to get because they cannot survive without it: attention. In order to get attention, they endeavor to taunt the perceived “competition” with insulting commentary in the hope of provoking a reply that will turn into a public debate which the personal blogger can keep going in order to draw more traffic to his blog.
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The Fatima Center has recently been the target of such pointless bellicosity on the part of blogosphere “experts” purporting to be in the know about what is “really” happening with this apostolate. The only productive approach to such people is to let them say what they will and leave it at that. The Internet permits such individuals to erect digital façades which suggest their remarks carry the weight of influence over opinion in the Church. But this is only an illusion — an illusion one must not dignify by descending to argument with mere provocateurs whose effectiveness depends entirely upon the number of people they can induce to waste their time by engaging with them.
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The Fatima Center has been in existence for nearly forty years. It has distributed millions of books, booklets and pamphlets, has a major presence on the Internet, and maintains brick and mortar facilities in multiple countries. The Fatima Center has done more than any organization in the world to keep alive the integral message of Fatima. None of that has changed with the passing of Father Gruner in April 2015. His legacy lives on without compromise, as any objective observer can see from the work of the apostolate over the past two years.
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There is still an immense amount of important work to be done for the cause of Fatima, and there is no time for distractions created by hand-waving denizens of the blogosphere, who contribute nothing but useless controversy aimed at promoting one-man enterprises under the guise of “defending the truth” to which they are, at best, Johnnies-come-lately. Debating with grandstanding Catholic bloggers is not on The Fatima Center’s agenda, nor should it be. Time is precious, and there is no time to waste on useless contention as opposed to the work of promoting the Message of Fatima and the cause of the Gospel according to our stations in life as confirmed soldiers of Christ and members of the Church Militant.
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In other words, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain (from Wizard of Oz). 
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If the Canada branch of the Fatima Center is mysteriously breaking away from the Servants of Jesus and Mary (USA group) by way of a letter mailed out by two unnamed employees of the Center who are not members of the Board of Directors, while one of the Board members (Coralie Graham) has been kept in the dark about this, we should pay no attention to such details, because "Fr. Gruner's legacy lives on without compromise." 
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Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: St Ignatius on September 05, 2017, 01:31:03 PM

I've been wondering if Fr. Albert gave up the phony "Dominican" Order to wreck havoc at FC under the same direction?

As far as I'm concerned, Fr Albert is a renagade... he abandoned his lawful superior in an unlawful manner.  So what can that say for those who allow him into their dwellings?
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 05, 2017, 01:51:49 PM
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2017/09/cornelia-ferreira-comes-out-swinging-in.html


What’s Going on at the Fatima Center?
By

Cornelia R. Ferreira

 

 On August 28th, aka Catholic published a rather prescient blog (https://akacatholic.com/the-cardinal-prince-of-the-new-fatima-center/) on an emerging “new” Fatima Center. In this posting, Louie Verrecchio observed that the Fatima Center (FC) was lessening its fight against errors, especially those concerning the Fatima Message, errors that the FC would have vigorously fought under Father Nicholas Gruner.

 In other words, the Fatima Center is moving away from Traditionalism (which abhors error) towards the conservative position (which ignores error so long as it’s mixed with some truth).

 Unknown to Louie was that at the precise time of his August 28th post, the new direction was being confirmed in a startling set of letters mailed to American donors from the Fatima Center in Fort Erie, Ontario, the headquarters of Father Nicholas Gruner’s Fatima Apostolate.

 The letters announce a change in the Apostolate’s organizational structure from that set up by Fr. Gruner. On top of that, disturbing accusations against their American co-workers in the letters have shocked and confused readers, who are asking, “What’s going on at the Fatima Center?”

 As a long-time associate of Fr. Gruner and the FC, l have been asked if I could shed some light on these letters, which I received from a friend, and which were as much a surprise to me as to their recipients.

 I cannot purport to answer the nebulous allegations themselves, nor what triggered their publication; I leave that to the “accused” to address. However, there are errors and inconsistenicies in the letters themselves, to which it is possible to respond.

 The Fatima Center is incorporated under the name “The National Committee for the National Pilgrim Virgin of Canada” (NPV). Let’s first consider its letter of August 22nd, signed by mere managers and some Board Directors (incredibly, at least one other Director, Coralie Graham, was kept in the dark about it).

 The NPV declares it is “necessary to sever [its] connection” with its sister corporation, Servants of Jesus and Mary (SJM), in Constable, New York, because it is this branch of the Apostolate that is allegedly going in a different direction than that established by Fr. Gruner.

 SJM is supposedly “changing the mission of The Fatima Center” by trying to involve it in “several controversial issues within the Church.” Indeed, things are so bad that the FC feels it’s being “sidetracked or prevented from making the ENTIRE Fatima Message understood and followed by EVERYONE.” (The emphasis is theirs.)

 Coming from an organization that excitedly praises a Cardinal (Raymond Burke) who is spreading a fake Fatima Message, this is effrontery at its finest.

 But, the FC barrels ahead with the vague accusation that the SJM has also recently “begun to make arbitrary decisions that negatively affect the operational effectiveness of the apostolate and hinder us from carrying out our mission.”

 Further, it has “pushed for The Fatima Center to change direction and become more radical in its orientation.” (What do they mean by “orientation”? The uncompromising Traditionalism of the old FC, or the conciliatory Conservative-traditionalism being embraced by the new?)

 And so, “to preserve Father Gruner’s legacy and the integrity of The Fatima Center’s mission,” says the letter’s signatories, “we find it necessary to sever our connection with SJM.”

 To keep the donations flowing, the FC has set up a new American branch, The Fatima Center USA Inc.

 With absolutely no details, examples, or evidence provided of the SJM’s wrongdoings, these baseless allegations from the NPV/Fatima Center could certainly be construed as libellous.

 And just how scurrilous the allegations are can be seen when one considers the history of SJM and its close working relationship with NPV.

 Servants of Jesus and Mary was not set up by Fr. Gruner, nor as merely a mail clearing-house, as the letter from The Fatima Center paints it. Presumably to make the dismissal of SJM seem unimportant, the FC tries to downplay SJM’s importance, claiming it was not involved in the production of literature nor in any decision-making about its own work.

 Servants of Jesus and Mary was founded by Fr. Michael Jarecki in the late 70’s as a spiritual organization promoting the message of Fatima. Some years later its members began helping out as volunteers in Fr. Gruner’s apostolate. Even later, under its original name, it began to facilitate the extension of Fr. Gruner’s work into the USA, and it also became involved in the production of literature for the Fatima Center. Both priests worked closely together, with Fr. Gruner being the President of both boards. All major decisions were made by both boards.

 Returning to the FC letter, we note a puzzling signature: that of Andrew Cesanek, listed as Vice-President of the FC. But at the time he signed the letter, he was Vice-President of SJM, the same supposedly delinquent organization he was divorcing! How curious that he would tar himself with the same brush.

 As to the FC’s claim that “Catholics of good will can disagree” on (undefined) “controversial issues,” it itself seems to display zero tolerance for those who disagree with it or raise uncomfortable topics. Bear in mind that the “new” Center is not focused on correcting errors, and is instead exhibiting a type of Catholic “ecuмenism” (which I defined (https://akacatholic.com/the-consecration-of-russia-at-the-expense-of-souls/) earlier), seeking unity with conservatives.

 Could this be why not just the SJM, but the following three individuals “of good will” have also fallen afoul of the Fatima Center?

 For instance, Fr. Paul Kramer, President of the SJM Board, had been invited to address the Fatima Conference in California in September, but was very recently dis-invited. Most people know Father is a world-renowned Fatima expert who was a friend and close collaborator of Fr. Gruner since they were seminarians. Father Kramer has been working on the subject of whether Francis is a true Pope, a topic that Fr. Gruner himself raised (https://akacatholic.com/did-fr-gruner-consider-francis-an-anti-pope/) shortly before his death.

 Louie Verrechio, another invited speaker, suffered the same fate shortly after posting my article (https://akacatholic.com/fatima-through-the-lens-of-vatican-ii-as-illustrated-by-raymond-cardinal-burke/) critical of Cardinal Burke’s Fatima speech at the Rome Life Forum (after the article was turned down by Catholic Family News).

 Coralie Graham, who worked side-by-side with Fr. Gruner for over three decades and was editor of The Fatima Crusader for more than a quarter century, was abruptly shown the door a short while ago. Of all Father’s staff, she was probably the closest in thinking to him. She has always insisted on truth and the Catholic duty of correcting error.

 Now what is truly mind-boggling is that the letter terminating the Servants of Jesus and Mary was also signed by two managers of the FC. Since when do employees have the power to get rid of a Board of Directors, especially that of another corporation? These managers have certainly built up their own “team” in the letter.

 The second letter, from the Advisory Council of Priests, indicates that even these priest advisers have been convinced that it is the managers who are singularly responsible for the apostolate. The priests imply the Fort Erie managers and staff are the only ones trained and trusted by Fr. Gruner to do his work, leading one to unjustly conclude that their American co-workers are not as “good and dedicated” as they.

 Interestingly, although the Fatima Center lists five priests on its Advisory Council (as per its Winter 2017 Fatima Center News publication), only three of them signed the letter. Why did the other two not sign?
We await a response from Servants of Jesus and Mary to the letters sent out by The Fatima Center. The scandalous allegations and the questions they raise need to be addressed sooner rather than later, because people around the world are confused and perturbed by this lamentable split in Father Gruner’s apostolate
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I'd like to thank you, Mr. G, for posting this thread. 
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I have personally met Cornelia Ferreira, and while I can't say I know her very well, I know enough about her to affirm with confidence that she is practically incapable of being one who is looking for personal aggrandizement or of being somehow incapable of surviving without getting attention. If there ever was a person who abhors attention from the depths of her being, Cornelia Ferreira is the one. She was a speaker invited by the late Fr. Gruner at his World Peace 2000 Conference in Hamilton, Canada in 1999, when I was in the room (as well with Fr. Paul Kramer who showed me in person he could play Beethoven's Emperor Concerto on the piano). I noticed her eye movements while she gave her talk. After she was finished, I made a point of asking her about that, and she frankly and unabashedly explained to me without pretense that she gets very nervous looking at people in her audience because she doesn't like to speak to large crowds. Therefore she said she had developed the technique of picking two or more places high above their heads, like along the back wall of the auditorium, where she could cast her gaze at intervals during her talk so as to give the impression of making eye contact with the crowd. 
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Her purpose in researching material and giving talks was to pass on important information to people who might be interested, and in helping good priests like Fr. Gruner to spread the authentic Message of Fatima in the face of nefarious opposition to the truth, which is unfortunately in no short supply.
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Since then I have noticed her doing this consistently over the years. I met her sister and had a nice chat with her about how Cornelia got into this speaking at Fatima Center conferences, and she gave me some background, having known her sister all her life. So I'm not coming from some secret personal agenda or desire for "attention" as Chris Ferrara might presume. And if he is daring to hurl the accusation of such a thing at Cornelia Ferreira, whom he personally knows, he ought to be ashamed of himself. But since he's a lawyer, he is likely no longer capable of being ashamed of himself.
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Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 05, 2017, 04:32:19 PM
I'm disappointed with all these Fatima and other Catholic organizations.  

Priest shortage.. And yet many have time for these speaking engagements.  It seems it's always about money and power. 
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Cera on September 05, 2017, 05:46:06 PM
It's sad to see one more betrayal in a sea of betrayals. More suffering to offer up.
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Nadir on September 05, 2017, 09:51:43 PM
Luke 18: [7] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=18&l=7-#x) And will not God revenge his elect who cry to him day and night: and will he have patience in their regard? [8] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=18&l=8-#x) I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=18&l=8-8&q=1#x)
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Student of Qi on September 05, 2017, 10:31:47 PM
As far as I'm concerned, Fr Albert is a renagade... he abandoned his lawful superior in an unlawful manner.  So what can that say for those who allow him into their dwellings?
Those of Avrillé have told me that proper procedure would be to formally excamunicate Fr. Albert and all the other runaways, including any and every other priest who knowingly offers them shelter. But the Church doesn't have any Bishops who are going to enforce that... I wonder how many are eligible for that at this point?
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: LaramieHirsch on September 06, 2017, 10:22:24 AM
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Christopher Ferrara posted his own contribution today (http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/oc/perspective1077.asp) on the new Fatima.org site (which has the newly-created Fatima Center USA, Inc. as a partner) in which he mumbles ambiguous accusations against unnamed Internet "bloggers" (like whom, Fr. Paul Kramer? Cornelia Ferreira? Louis Verrecchio? Peter Chonjowski? Trad Cat Knight? Greg Taylor? Matthew McDevitt? TomGubbinsKimmage? Laramie Hirsch??  He doesn't say!!).
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Oh wow.  Does the guy dislike me?  I mean, I enjoy his writing.  
I'll have to read his article.  Later, though.  Busy.
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Cera on September 07, 2017, 11:19:28 AM
I'm disappointed with all these Fatima and other Catholic organizations.  

Priest shortage.. And yet many have time for these speaking engagements.  It seems it's always about money and power.
Surely you are not including dear Father Gruner, who devoted his life to Our Lady of Fatima and her requests. He was not about money and power.
Like you, I am disappointed with this new direction taken by the Fatima Center, which does seem to be about not losing money from N. O. Catholics.
Speaking engagements by priests are not a bad thing. Please clarify.
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 07, 2017, 01:42:37 PM
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If this topic were appealing to the general public what's happening would be called "trending."
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Since it's of no interest to the general public, we could say it's "trending among trads." (Tranding?)
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Don't miss the excellent page offered by akaCatholic (aka Louie Verrecchio) here: 
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https://akacatholic.com/breaking-mystery-blogger-under-attack/
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The article is a charitable response to an ostensibly uncharitable attack by Chris Ferrara (but since Chris doesn't identify his target we can't know for sure who it really is).
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There are a number of comments below the article, one of which is of particular interest to me, by "frdbelland" ...
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Concerning the Consecration of Russia, I don’t believe it is too far off. In an article by Fr. Joseph Schweigl, S.J. entitled Fatima and the Conversion of Russia which appeared in 1956 in a journal issuing from the Russicuм College in Rome, where the Commission for Russia instituted by Pope Pius XII was operating, Fr. Schweigl states the following: “The Third Secret [of Fatima] deals with a victorious, triumphal decision by the Pope, triumphal, yes, but also difficult and heroic.” Fr. Schweigl was entrusted by Pope Pius XII in 1952 with a mission to interrogate Sr. Lucy concerning the message of Fatima. He had 31 questions which he presented to her and which she addressed candidly and amply. Before he left Portugal, however, he was instructed by Chancery at Coimbra, the Diocese wherein the Carmelite Convent where Sr. Lucy resided was located, that he could not reveal anything of the interview he had had with Sr. Lucia. Nevertheless, he did disclose to his cousin, a Fr. Cyrille Karel Kosina, that “I cannot reveal anything about what I have learned at Fatima about the Message, but I can say that it has two parts. The one concerns the Pope, the other logically, although maybe I should say nothing, should be the continuation of the words, 'In Portugal the Dogma of the Faith will always be preserved, etc'….” (This information comes from tape #4 of an 11 tape recording of a series of talks by Guido Del Rose (RIP) entitled Fatima and the ‘Last Times’ Apostasy, former Custodian of the National Pilgrim Statue for the U.S.
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To what Pope [it refers] and in what that decision could consist are questions that are raised by the communication made by Fr. Schweigl concerning a monumental decision by a Pope. Without trying to [get into] analyzing so many decisions of the Popes from 1956, it seems that up to the present time only one truly stands out: the decision of Pope Benedict to resign the Papacy which took the world by surprise. Perhaps Pope Benedict’s decision to promulgate his Motu proprio of 2007 or his lifting of the excommunication of the four SSPX Bishops, both of which caused much consternation among liberals, could be considered as candidates. However, even if they were momentous decisions, they concern special groups. On the other hand Fr. Schweigl’s statement is made in connection with the 3rd Secret which concerns mainly the Pope and the apostasy. It could also be said that the decision will concern the Consecration of Russia, but the Consecration Russia is not a matter of a decision as such, rather it is a matter of obedience. Of course, it is possible that it, the Consecration, could come about as a result of the decision to which Fr. Schweigl refers.
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The reason for the Consecration coming as a result of Benedict’s renunciation is that, as can already be seen, the apostates are exposing themselves, and eventually there must be a break between those loyal to Christ & His Church, and the apostates, a break which is not far off. It will be only then that a true Collegial Consecration can be made, for the apostate Bishops would never consent to make the Consecration even when commanded by the most saintly Pope.
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This comment does not reference the article by Fr. Paul Kramer regarding the so-called resignation of Benedict XVI, but effectively agrees with Fr. Kramer's conclusion, that the munus of BXVI was not relinquished but only the exercise of the Petrine ministry. Consequently, Benedict XVI is still capable of performing the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary together with all the bishops of the world, even while Francis is one that we already don't expect to have any willingness or likelihood of doing so.
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So far, none of the comments mentions the fact that +W and the 3 other bishops he has consecrated joined in their own public collegial consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, although missing the presence of the Pope (and I suppose any other bishops of the world!) and in so doing explained that they were doing "what we can" and that perhaps their gesture might in some way facilitate the grace necessary for the Consecration to be properly done, at long last.
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Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 07, 2017, 01:46:15 PM
Oh wow.  Does the guy dislike me?  I mean, I enjoy his writing.  
I'll have to read his article.  Later, though.  Busy.
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Good eye. I was wondering if you'd catch that. 
Beware: this article by Ferrara is not like the same old guy we've known for years. Something has changed, and it's a bit disturbing, I must say.
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Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 07, 2017, 01:53:53 PM
Surely you are not including dear Father Gruner, who devoted his life to Our Lady of Fatima and her requests. He was not about money and power.
Like you, I am disappointed with this new direction taken by the Fatima Center, which does seem to be about not losing money from N. O. Catholics.
Speaking engagements by priests are not a bad thing. Please clarify.
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Speaking engagements by priests are not a bad thing -- correct.
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If you're of the mind that a priest's first obligation is to provide Mass for as many venues every day all over the world as he can, you're mistaken. Normally a priest is only allowed to offer Mass ONCE per day, unless given a special mission or permission from his legitimate superior or bishop.
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Even Fr. Gruner did not offer more than one Mass per day, except for rare occasions of necessity. The Feast of All Souls and Christmas Day being the two exceptions for all priests.
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If priests don't go out giving conference talks on Fatima and other such topics the faithful could easily lose interest or become misinformed.
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Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Cera on September 08, 2017, 03:49:55 PM
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Speaking engagements by priests are not a bad thing -- correct.
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If you're of the mind that a priest's first obligation is to provide Mass for as many venues every day all over the world as he can, you're mistaken. Normally a priest is only allowed to offer Mass ONCE per day, unless given a special mission or permission from his legitimate superior or bishop.
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Even Fr. Gruner did not offer more than one Mass per day, except for rare occasions of necessity. The Feast of All Souls and Christmas Day being the two exceptions for all priests.
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If priests don't go out giving conference talks on Fatima and other such topics the faithful could easily lose interest or become misinformed.
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Yeah! Something about which we agree :)
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 11, 2017, 04:22:17 PM
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There are a number of comments below the article, one of which is of particular interest to me, by "frdbelland" ....
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The reason for the Consecration coming as a result of Benedict’s renunciation is that, as can already be seen, the apostates are exposing themselves, and eventually there must be a break between those loyal to Christ & His Church, and the apostates, a break which is not far off. It will be only then that a true Collegial Consecration can be made, for the apostate Bishops would never consent to make the Consecration even when commanded by the most saintly Pope.
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A later entry on Louie's site further develops this line. 
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Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Cera on September 12, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
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A later entry on Louie's site further develops this line.
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I cannot find Louie Verrechio's website. I see his article on Novus Ordo Watch and on AKA Catholic. Can you direct me? (Sorry if I missed it but I'm on painkillers due to a back injury.)
 
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Nadir on September 12, 2017, 04:24:47 PM
http://akacatholic.com/

Sorry to hear of your pain from a back injury. :pray:
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 12, 2017, 09:41:15 PM
I cannot find Louie Verrechio's website. I see his article on Novus Ordo Watch and on AKA Catholic. Can you direct me? (Sorry if I missed it but I'm on painkillers due to a back injury.)
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Louie Verrecchio is the author of the akaCatholic website:
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https://akacatholic.com/breaking-mystery-blogger-under-attack/
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(https://akacatholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Louie-Profile-Pic-300x300.jpg)
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Cera on September 14, 2017, 04:37:48 PM
http://akacatholic.com/

Sorry to hear of your pain from a back injury. :pray:
Thank you Nadir; waiting to hear about surgery.
Title: Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
Post by: Cera on September 14, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
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Louie Verrecchio is the author of the akaCatholic website:
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https://akacatholic.com/breaking-mystery-blogger-under-attack/
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(https://akacatholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Louie-Profile-Pic-300x300.jpg)
Thank you; I didn't know it was him.