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Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2017, 10:31:47 PM »
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  • As far as I'm concerned, Fr Albert is a renagade... he abandoned his lawful superior in an unlawful manner.  So what can that say for those who allow him into their dwellings?
    Those of Avrillé have told me that proper procedure would be to formally excamunicate Fr. Albert and all the other runaways, including any and every other priest who knowingly offers them shelter. But the Church doesn't have any Bishops who are going to enforce that... I wonder how many are eligible for that at this point?
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll

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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #16 on: September 06, 2017, 10:22:24 AM »
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    Christopher Ferrara posted his own contribution today on the new Fatima.org site (which has the newly-created Fatima Center USA, Inc. as a partner) in which he mumbles ambiguous accusations against unnamed Internet "bloggers" (like whom, Fr. Paul Kramer? Cornelia Ferreira? Louis Verrecchio? Peter Chonjowski? Trad Cat Knight? Greg Taylor? Matthew McDevitt? TomGubbinsKimmage? Laramie Hirsch??  He doesn't say!!).
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    Oh wow.  Does the guy dislike me?  I mean, I enjoy his writing.  
    I'll have to read his article.  Later, though.  Busy.
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #17 on: September 07, 2017, 11:19:28 AM »
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  • I'm disappointed with all these Fatima and other Catholic organizations.  

    Priest shortage.. And yet many have time for these speaking engagements.  It seems it's always about money and power.
    Surely you are not including dear Father Gruner, who devoted his life to Our Lady of Fatima and her requests. He was not about money and power.
    Like you, I am disappointed with this new direction taken by the Fatima Center, which does seem to be about not losing money from N. O. Catholics.
    Speaking engagements by priests are not a bad thing. Please clarify.
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #18 on: September 07, 2017, 01:42:37 PM »
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    If this topic were appealing to the general public what's happening would be called "trending."
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    Since it's of no interest to the general public, we could say it's "trending among trads." (Tranding?)
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    Don't miss the excellent page offered by akaCatholic (aka Louie Verrecchio) here: 
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    https://akacatholic.com/breaking-mystery-blogger-under-attack/
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    The article is a charitable response to an ostensibly uncharitable attack by Chris Ferrara (but since Chris doesn't identify his target we can't know for sure who it really is).
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    There are a number of comments below the article, one of which is of particular interest to me, by "frdbelland" ...
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    Concerning the Consecration of Russia, I don’t believe it is too far off. In an article by Fr. Joseph Schweigl, S.J. entitled Fatima and the Conversion of Russia which appeared in 1956 in a journal issuing from the Russicum College in Rome, where the Commission for Russia instituted by Pope Pius XII was operating, Fr. Schweigl states the following: “The Third Secret [of Fatima] deals with a victorious, triumphal decision by the Pope, triumphal, yes, but also difficult and heroic.” Fr. Schweigl was entrusted by Pope Pius XII in 1952 with a mission to interrogate Sr. Lucy concerning the message of Fatima. He had 31 questions which he presented to her and which she addressed candidly and amply. Before he left Portugal, however, he was instructed by Chancery at Coimbra, the Diocese wherein the Carmelite Convent where Sr. Lucy resided was located, that he could not reveal anything of the interview he had had with Sr. Lucia. Nevertheless, he did disclose to his cousin, a Fr. Cyrille Karel Kosina, that “I cannot reveal anything about what I have learned at Fatima about the Message, but I can say that it has two parts. The one concerns the Pope, the other logically, although maybe I should say nothing, should be the continuation of the words, 'In Portugal the Dogma of the Faith will always be preserved, etc'….” (This information comes from tape #4 of an 11 tape recording of a series of talks by Guido Del Rose (RIP) entitled Fatima and the ‘Last Times’ Apostasy, former Custodian of the National Pilgrim Statue for the U.S.
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    To what Pope [it refers] and in what that decision could consist are questions that are raised by the communication made by Fr. Schweigl concerning a monumental decision by a Pope. Without trying to [get into] analyzing so many decisions of the Popes from 1956, it seems that up to the present time only one truly stands out: the decision of Pope Benedict to resign the Papacy which took the world by surprise. Perhaps Pope Benedict’s decision to promulgate his Motu proprio of 2007 or his lifting of the excommunication of the four SSPX Bishops, both of which caused much consternation among liberals, could be considered as candidates. However, even if they were momentous decisions, they concern special groups. On the other hand Fr. Schweigl’s statement is made in connection with the 3rd Secret which concerns mainly the Pope and the apostasy. It could also be said that the decision will concern the Consecration of Russia, but the Consecration Russia is not a matter of a decision as such, rather it is a matter of obedience. Of course, it is possible that it, the Consecration, could come about as a result of the decision to which Fr. Schweigl refers.
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    The reason for the Consecration coming as a result of Benedict’s renunciation is that, as can already be seen, the apostates are exposing themselves, and eventually there must be a break between those loyal to Christ & His Church, and the apostates, a break which is not far off. It will be only then that a true Collegial Consecration can be made, for the apostate Bishops would never consent to make the Consecration even when commanded by the most saintly Pope.
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    This comment does not reference the article by Fr. Paul Kramer regarding the so-called resignation of Benedict XVI, but effectively agrees with Fr. Kramer's conclusion, that the munus of BXVI was not relinquished but only the exercise of the Petrine ministry. Consequently, Benedict XVI is still capable of performing the Collegial Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary together with all the bishops of the world, even while Francis is one that we already don't expect to have any willingness or likelihood of doing so.
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    So far, none of the comments mentions the fact that +W and the 3 other bishops he has consecrated joined in their own public collegial consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, although missing the presence of the Pope (and I suppose any other bishops of the world!) and in so doing explained that they were doing "what we can" and that perhaps their gesture might in some way facilitate the grace necessary for the Consecration to be properly done, at long last.
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #19 on: September 07, 2017, 01:46:15 PM »
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  • Oh wow.  Does the guy dislike me?  I mean, I enjoy his writing.  
    I'll have to read his article.  Later, though.  Busy.
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    Good eye. I was wondering if you'd catch that. 
    Beware: this article by Ferrara is not like the same old guy we've known for years. Something has changed, and it's a bit disturbing, I must say.
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #20 on: September 07, 2017, 01:53:53 PM »
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  • Surely you are not including dear Father Gruner, who devoted his life to Our Lady of Fatima and her requests. He was not about money and power.
    Like you, I am disappointed with this new direction taken by the Fatima Center, which does seem to be about not losing money from N. O. Catholics.
    Speaking engagements by priests are not a bad thing. Please clarify.
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    Speaking engagements by priests are not a bad thing -- correct.
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    If you're of the mind that a priest's first obligation is to provide Mass for as many venues every day all over the world as he can, you're mistaken. Normally a priest is only allowed to offer Mass ONCE per day, unless given a special mission or permission from his legitimate superior or bishop.
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    Even Fr. Gruner did not offer more than one Mass per day, except for rare occasions of necessity. The Feast of All Souls and Christmas Day being the two exceptions for all priests.
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    If priests don't go out giving conference talks on Fatima and other such topics the faithful could easily lose interest or become misinformed.
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #21 on: September 08, 2017, 03:49:55 PM »
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    Speaking engagements by priests are not a bad thing -- correct.
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    If you're of the mind that a priest's first obligation is to provide Mass for as many venues every day all over the world as he can, you're mistaken. Normally a priest is only allowed to offer Mass ONCE per day, unless given a special mission or permission from his legitimate superior or bishop.
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    Even Fr. Gruner did not offer more than one Mass per day, except for rare occasions of necessity. The Feast of All Souls and Christmas Day being the two exceptions for all priests.
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    If priests don't go out giving conference talks on Fatima and other such topics the faithful could easily lose interest or become misinformed.
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    Yeah! Something about which we agree :)
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #22 on: September 11, 2017, 04:22:17 PM »
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    There are a number of comments below the article, one of which is of particular interest to me, by "frdbelland" ....
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    The reason for the Consecration coming as a result of Benedict’s renunciation is that, as can already be seen, the apostates are exposing themselves, and eventually there must be a break between those loyal to Christ & His Church, and the apostates, a break which is not far off. It will be only then that a true Collegial Consecration can be made, for the apostate Bishops would never consent to make the Consecration even when commanded by the most saintly Pope.
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    A later entry on Louie's site further develops this line. 
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #23 on: September 12, 2017, 03:50:02 PM »
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    A later entry on Louie's site further develops this line.
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    I cannot find Louie Verrechio's website. I see his article on Novus Ordo Watch and on AKA Catholic. Can you direct me? (Sorry if I missed it but I'm on painkillers due to a back injury.)
     
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #24 on: September 12, 2017, 04:24:47 PM »
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  • http://akacatholic.com/

    Sorry to hear of your pain from a back injury. :pray:

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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #25 on: September 12, 2017, 09:41:15 PM »
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  • I cannot find Louie Verrechio's website. I see his article on Novus Ordo Watch and on AKA Catholic. Can you direct me? (Sorry if I missed it but I'm on painkillers due to a back injury.)
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    Louie Verrecchio is the author of the akaCatholic website:
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    https://akacatholic.com/breaking-mystery-blogger-under-attack/
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #26 on: September 14, 2017, 04:37:48 PM »
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    Sorry to hear of your pain from a back injury. :pray:
    Thank you Nadir; waiting to hear about surgery.
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    Re: Cornelia Ferreira Comes Out Swinging in the Struggle for the Fatima Center
    « Reply #27 on: September 14, 2017, 04:38:31 PM »
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    Louie Verrecchio is the author of the akaCatholic website:
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    https://akacatholic.com/breaking-mystery-blogger-under-attack/
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    Thank you; I didn't know it was him.
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