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World Peace to be found at Fatima, not Assisi
« on: February 01, 2011, 10:36:58 PM »
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  • World Peace to be Found in the Fatima Consecration Not Assisi Meeting
     

    A Commentary by Randy Engel

    Introduction

    The link to the GloriaTV video “Beatification and Assisi” at http://en.gloria.tv/?media=126630 was mistakenly sent to my computer trash bin early on Saturday morning, but when I saw that it was from my old friend, Mary Henry, I pulled it up and seeing that it related to the World Prayer Meeting of Religions hosted by Pope John Paul II on October 27, 1986, in Assisi, I settled back in my chair to watch it. Had I been more observant, I would have noticed that the speaker, Bishop Elias, represented the Ukrainian orthodox Greek-Catholic Church (UOGCC), and not the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church (UGCC), which has official ties with Rome. This mistake turned out to be somewhat providential.  

    The Shot Heard Round the World

    By the time Bishop Elias finished his opening statement I was wide-awake and sitting on the edge of my seat. He said:

    Your Holiness, on the very first day in the New Year shocking news went around. You confirmed the apostatical gesture in Assisi. You intend to repeat and canonize it. We quote you, “To commemorate the great historic gesture of my predecessor and to solemnly            renew the commitment of the believers of all religions, to their own religious faith as a serving to peace.” Your Holiness, realize that by your acknowledgement of the Assisi gesture           you stood against Christ, and against His Mystical Body, the Church. …

    Obviously, Bishop Elias was just warming up. By the time the 11 minute video was over, my head was reeling and my heart was pounding. I think yours will be too.

    Bishop Elias not only called upon Benedict XVI to cancel his planned October 2011 trip to Assisi, but he also asked the pope to make public reparation for the sacrilege and blasphemies of past Assisi meetings; to cancel plans to beatify John Paul II; and to begin the reform of the Church by removing from office all apostate bishops and cardinals.

    Who is this Bishop Elias? Where did he come from? And perhaps, most importantly, I asked myself, how long would it take for Rome to remove the bishop from his See? Many criminal clerical pederasts and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs with miters have managed to evade Rome’s censure for decades on end, some in perpetuity, but I had a feeling that Bishop Elias would fare less well once Rome saw this video.

    Fortunately, I was able to answer my own questions rather quickly, once I realized that Bishop Dohnal belonged to the UOGCC and not the Vatican-approved UGCC, and thus, what Rome planned to do with him was largely irrelevant.

    Nevertheless, I was happy for my initial error because I think I listened to the bishop’s message more closely than I otherwise might have. Alas, for just a few minutes, I actually thought that a bishop in good standing in the Church had mustered enough courage to publicly oppose both the beatification of John Paul II and Benedict XVI’ visit to Assisi. Silly me.

    The UOGCC’s website at  http://uogcc.org.ua/en/ has a short biography on Czech-born Elias Dohnal who is currently residing at a monastery in Pidhirtsi, in the Diocese of Zhovkva in the Ukraine. The site also provides the history of events leading up to the establishment of UOGCC which is certainly worth the read.  

    Why Assisi? Why Not Fatima?

    This commentary, however, is not about the statements of Bishop Dohnal per se. Although, for the record, I oppose both the pope’s up-coming inter-religious Assisi event and the beatification of John Paul II scheduled for May 1, 2011.

    Rather, the point of this commentary is to publicly ask why the Pope, in his quest for world peace, is going to Assisi rather than Fatima in October 2011. Why is he not following Our Lady’s Peace Plan rather than his own? Why is the Pope calling for an interreligious gathering of heretics, infidels, witch doctors and pagans, when he should be calling for the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary according to her specific requirements – a consecration carried out by the Holy Father in union with all the bishops of the world?

    October 13, 2011, will mark the 94th anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun which took place at Fatima in 1917. The future will mark this date as another miracle, if Benedict XVI carries out the prescribed Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    Is it not time, once again, to storm heaven with our petitions and our prayers for this intention? Won’t you help, by personally making your request to the Holy Father today, and by enlisting the cooperation and support of your family, friends, pastors, and bishop.  The message is really quite short - Assisi No. Fatima Consecration Yes.  

    And what if Benedict XVI decides to ignore Our Lady’s Peace Plan and goes to Assisi?

    If, despite all our Masses, prayers and rosaries, Benedict XVI dismisses Our Lady’s Plan for Peace, let us vow to make October 13, 2011, a day of personal and public reparation including fasting and acts of penance for all the sacrileges and offenses committed against the most Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
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    World Peace to be found at Fatima, not Assisi
    « Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 03:24:08 AM »
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    World Peace to be Found in the Fatima Consecration Not Assisi Meeting
     

    A Commentary by Randy Engel

    Introduction
    .... Had I been more observant, I would have noticed that the speaker, Bishop Elias, represented the Ukrainian orthodox Greek-Catholic Church (UOGCC), and not the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church (UGCC), which has official ties with Rome. This mistake turned out to be somewhat providential.  

    By the time Bishop Elias finished his opening statement I was wide-awake and sitting on the edge of my seat....

    Obviously, Bishop Elias was just warming up. By the time the 11 minute video was over, my head was reeling and my heart was pounding. I think yours will be too.

    Who is this Bishop Elias? Where did he come from? And perhaps, most importantly, I asked myself, how long would it take for Rome to remove the bishop from his See?

    Fortunately, I was able to answer my own questions rather quickly, once I realized that Bishop Dohnal belonged to the UOGCC and not the Vatican-approved UGCC, and thus, what Rome planned to do with him was largely irrelevant.

    Silly me.


    And what if Benedict XVI decides to ignore Our Lady’s Peace Plan and goes to Assisi?

    If, despite all our Masses, prayers and rosaries, Benedict XVI dismisses Our Lady’s Plan for Peace, let us vow to make October 13, 2011, a day of personal and public reparation including fasting and acts of penance for all the sacrileges and offenses committed against the most Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.




    I just took out of the article the parts that struck me as foolish Novus Ordoite.

    Hes IN SHOCK that someone would come out against the holiest man the POPE! The PAPA, ohhh no!! Newsflash Mr. Engel, read Cathinfo more and see how Catholic this "pope" really is.

    At points in the article, he bounces around like a schizophrenic, heart pounding in his chest at the insulting words he's hearing about his beloved sinless pope. How endearing.

    Then he calls for a day of penance for all the sins committed against the Sacred Heart and Immaculate Heart. That is laudable, yet who is the one committing these sins. In this article, specifically, it is BENEDICT XVI doing these things. The Pope? Sinning, possibly even committing heresy? OMGosh.

    Its just funny seeing NOers bust out of their shoes at the latest revelations they find, which have been known to us for ages.

    Another perspective I could take from this article is that of hope, in that if this guy had known firmly before viewing the link he talks about that he viewed by accident, that it was from an evil bad-will heretic that is in APOSTASY AHHHH!!! from the primely pure modern day Vatican (sorry for my mocking tone, it just fits so well though), he would not have watched it. I'm glad he got confused by the UOGCC vs UGCC difference, and ended up viewing it. Look.. it OPENED HIS EYES UP to the truth and how we all should be rebelling against the evil of satan (through his henchmen there) that is in the Vatican right now as we speak.

    Its sad but thats how most quote "conservative and liberal Catholics" even trad Catholics who are still wholly united with the Pope are. Once they filter out everything that is not approved by the, what they believe, Holy See, its banished forever and not to be taken in. I wonder if they do that with the music they listen to on the radio, or books they read from the library. Is everything not Nihil imprimatur kept away from their pure eyes and ears? Answer is no.

    Another rambling, complete.


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    World Peace to be found at Fatima, not Assisi
    « Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 07:34:53 AM »
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    World Peace to be Found in the Fatima Consecration Not Assisi Meeting
     

    A Commentary by Randy Engel

    Introduction
    .... Had I been more observant, I would have noticed that the speaker, Bishop Elias, represented the Ukrainian orthodox Greek-Catholic Church (UOGCC), and not the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church (UGCC), which has official ties with Rome. This mistake turned out to be somewhat providential.  

    By the time Bishop Elias finished his opening statement I was wide-awake and sitting on the edge of my seat....

    Obviously, Bishop Elias was just warming up. By the time the 11 minute video was over, my head was reeling and my heart was pounding. I think yours will be too.

    Who is this Bishop Elias? Where did he come from? And perhaps, most importantly, I asked myself, how long would it take for Rome to remove the bishop from his See?

    Fortunately, I was able to answer my own questions rather quickly, once I realized that Bishop Dohnal belonged to the UOGCC and not the Vatican-approved UGCC, and thus, what Rome planned to do with him was largely irrelevant.

    Silly me.


    And what if Benedict XVI decides to ignore Our Lady’s Peace Plan and goes to Assisi?

    If, despite all our Masses, prayers and rosaries, Benedict XVI dismisses Our Lady’s Plan for Peace, let us vow to make October 13, 2011, a day of personal and public reparation including fasting and acts of penance for all the sacrileges and offenses committed against the most Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.




    I just took out of the article the parts that struck me as foolish Novus Ordoite.

    Hes IN SHOCK that someone would come out against the holiest man the POPE! The PAPA, ohhh no!! Newsflash Mr. Engel, read Cathinfo more and see how Catholic this "pope" really is.

    At points in the article, he bounces around like a schizophrenic, heart pounding in his chest at the insulting words he's hearing about his beloved sinless pope. How endearing.

    Then he calls for a day of penance for all the sins committed against the Sacred Heart and Immaculate Heart. That is laudable, yet who is the one committing these sins. In this article, specifically, it is BENEDICT XVI doing these things. The Pope? Sinning, possibly even committing heresy? OMGosh.

    Its just funny seeing NOers bust out of their shoes at the latest revelations they find, which have been known to us for ages.

    Another perspective I could take from this article is that of hope, in that if this guy had known firmly before viewing the link he talks about that he viewed by accident, that it was from an evil bad-will heretic that is in APOSTASY AHHHH!!! from the primely pure modern day Vatican (sorry for my mocking tone, it just fits so well though), he would not have watched it. I'm glad he got confused by the UOGCC vs UGCC difference, and ended up viewing it. Look.. it OPENED HIS EYES UP to the truth and how we all should be rebelling against the evil of satan (through his henchmen there) that is in the Vatican right now as we speak.

    Its sad but thats how most quote "conservative and liberal Catholics" even trad Catholics who are still wholly united with the Pope are. Once they filter out everything that is not approved by the, what they believe, Holy See, its banished forever and not to be taken in. I wonder if they do that with the music they listen to on the radio, or books they read from the library. Is everything not Nihil imprimatur kept away from their pure eyes and ears? Answer is no.

    Another rambling, complete.



    PIO221, you need to back up a bit, Mr. Engel is actually Mrs. Engel.

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    World Peace to be found at Fatima, not Assisi
    « Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 05:31:43 PM »
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  • Lol. Ambiguous names.. could have been either.

    My comments I do think strike with many of our members here in that it shows the "whad-do-i-dos-now?" attitude that many Modernists and blindly-following Novus Ordo'ers do take when confronted with evidence that shows what they believe to be contrary to truth.

    Thats all.  :jumping2:

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    « Reply #4 on: February 04, 2011, 06:24:28 AM »
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    At points in the article, he bounces around like a schizophrenic, heart pounding in his chest at the insulting words he's hearing about his beloved sinless pope. How endearing.

    Then he calls for a day of penance for all the sins committed against the Sacred Heart and Immaculate Heart. That is laudable, yet who is the one committing these sins. In this article, specifically, it is BENEDICT XVI doing these things. The Pope? Sinning, possibly even committing heresy? OMGosh.



    It is clear that you know nothing about Randy Engel. When does Randy ever say the BXVI is sinless?
    What is wrong with doing penance for the sins of others?
    You seem to be ranting on for the sake of it!


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    World Peace to be found at Fatima, not Assisi
    « Reply #5 on: February 04, 2011, 05:58:42 PM »
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    Once they filter out everything that is not approved by the, what they believe, Holy See, its banished forever and not to be taken in.


    What does this "Holy See" really banish, though, after approving of Harry Potter and various rock groups?

    I have had more experience with Novus Ordo people since my mom died.  I've gotten back in touch with my dad after fifteen years, and he has gone from atheist to full-blown Novus Ordo.  Imagine the shock of that -- it's almost as shocking as what happened with my mom.  

    From what I can tell, they don't really worship Benedict XVI and are probably barely aware of his existence.  At my local NO-taken-over church, there are a series of posters that say "Inclusion is..." and show various kinds of "inclusion."  This is how many of those people think, I'd gather, that God loves everyone, there is no hell, and so on.   Some say that Novus Ordo-ites remind them of Protestants, but from what I can tell, it's an almost New Age tuned-out, blissed-out mentality.   The whole thing reeks of aging hippies and boomers trying to thrust their own self-loving perverted beliefs onto the Catholic Church.  

    Next time I see my dad, I think I'll ask him if he believes in hell.  When I mentioned that my mom might be in purgatory my dad said "That's not the religion I converted to!"   Look at the difference in thought patterns -- I am desperately hoping and praying that my mom is in purgatory, for me this would be an immense relief, while for my dad just the dogma of purgatory in and of itself is cruel and offensive.  We are on two totally different planets.

    As has been pointed out many times, all that really offends them is traditional Catholicism, and it's easy to see why.  Go up to someone who thinks he has a winning lottery ticket and tell them it might actually be counterfeit and see how happy he is.  In other words, they are sure they have an easy, fast track to heaven, and when they hear information that it may not be so easy, they are liable to react badly.  Surely, many of these people violently resist their consciences.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.