Lover_of_Truth said

And I got to know many incredibly devout and sincere NO priests.  God has to separate the willfully blind from the inculpably ignorant.

He mentions sedevacantism in this interview ( although it seems to be mostly you talking ) so how is he "inculpably ignorant"?  What Catholic hasn't heard of sedevacantism by now?  

Not only that but he's a clergyman and he can't even figure out that immorality of the Borgia popes is totally different than the blasphemy of the VII "Popes"?  That means he doesn't understand papal infallibility.

Maybe this is why Catholic Martyr gets so upset.  Now invincible ignorance extends to priests whose job is to know the Catholic faith yet don't!  How often are we going to make excuses for people while the world burns?

He is not inculpably ignorant, and it is almost certain he will go to hell if he doesn't amend his ways.  Let's not sugarcoat the situation for these people.  The nicey-nicey stuff has to stop.  Charity and tolerance are commendable virtues but not when they support the anti-Christ.  What is happening in Vatican II is not just immorality but the sin against the Holy Spirit -- the only sin that won't be forgiven.

The good ones appear to have more charity than many traditionalists.

"The good ones"?  Define "good."  You are either part of the Mystical Body or you are not.

Sometimes Jєωs and Freemasons with a deep hatred of Christ may come across as being charitable and sweet, have families just like anyone else, have "love" just like anyone else, have adorable children who they hoist upon their shoulders with beaming smiles -- while underneath this picture-perfect surface, they are psychopaths.  Thanks to their machinations, billions of souls are screaming, cut off from their Redeemer.  This is the mystery of Iniquity.  Not to mention the millions upon millions of Protestants and pagans who also can be very nice, much more so than Catholics.

This is not about who is nice and who is mean.  This is about those who honor God versus those who do not.  If you refuse to see the truth, this is not charity.  It's nirvana -- false New Age bliss.  They allow blasphemy to continue while turning off their brains because reality makes them too uncomfortable.  It is participation in a lemming-like rejection of God and His truth on a massive scale.  

Not only are those in Novus Ordo in great danger of damnation, but those in SSPX as well.  Anyone tied to the beast of Vatican II in any way is part of an anti-Christ sect.


Thessalonians 2:11-2:12

   

Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying.  That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity

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Dogmatic sedevacantists disgust me.  They are objectively schismatic and their arguments are as bad, if not worse, than a conservative NO.  

Caminus, good points......thoug it begs question, what do "conservative priest" wish to conserve????

"Not only are those in the Novus Ordo in great danger of damnation, but those in SSPX as well."

And Raoul is not?

CORRECTION  Should have included myself as well, I am so sorry.

Also, I totally agree that there are good priests in the N.O.
Just as there are good Catholic laypeople in N.O.

I can't believe it is even necessary to point this out.   :cry:

Donatists had a moral issue with the bishops they rejected, who sold out their family members to be killed by the Romans under Diocletian.

I have no personal grudge against the NO "clergy" except to say that they are heretics, because they obey a manifest heretic who heads an apostate, false church.

The Donatist comparison would only hold if, for instance, the Modernist crisis never happened and the Vatican continued with a line of true Popes -- except that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs made up 99% of the clergy.  In other words, imagine an orthodox Vatican but with the pedophile problem still in effect.  This is an issue of personal morality and not of doctrine.  If I left the Church because I couldn't stand ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, or even because my child was molested, I'd be a Donatist.  Donatists thought with emotion instead of intellect; they failed to distinguish the flawed man from the office he held.

The difference with me is that I didn't leave the Church.  I found it.

There ARE Donatists today.  Since a Donatist is someone who sets up their own schismatic splinter group over immoral actions of the Catholic clergy, and since the sedevacantists are the Church today, that means the Donatists of today are the sedevacantists who are in rebellion down at SGG.  Of course, almost everyone who posted in this thread is either part of this or supports it, yet I am the one who is called a Donatist...

They have a problem with Bishop Dolan, the person, and for the moment have forgotten the fact that he is a Roman Catholic bishop, and one whom, more importantly, has taken the right stance on the una cuм.  Some of them loathe him so much that they have taken the opposite position on the una cuм, not a recommendable course of action as it can lead to every evil under the sun:  material or formal heresy, material or formal schism, or throwing yourself out of the Church entirely, as the priests who offer the una cuм are not part of the true Church and acknowledge Ratzinger's apostate sect instead.  Antichrist and Christ do not exist side-by-side, no matter how you tie your mind into a Gordian knot.    

I am a dogmatic sedevacantist because I want to cut the Gordian knot, and this can only be done by professing the Catholic faith whole and entire, without compromise.  To do this the first step to be taken is to define the Church, to figure out where it is.  It cannot be with the head of a false religion like Ratzinger, as the dogma of papal infallibility guaranteed no Pope would ever teach heresy.  Since the Catholic Church is where its head is, and we have no visible head, we must be sedevacantists and conclude they are the true Church.

My warnings to those attached to the conciliar structures or its anti-Christ pit boss have nothing to do with any secret wish of mine to see people in hell.  But there is a creeping rot, a false sense of charity, a false sense of tolerance, that sits by idly while Christ is being blasphemed, and you'd better believe that I am not going to be ANY party to it.  I fear God too much for that.  

I am not going to flatter people and tell them they good Catholics already, just as long as they wear long dresses and shun rock music.  I am going to tell you what you need to do to be a good Catholic, which is to DESPISE heresy and offenses to the goodness of God.  Yet people in SSPX think they can reconcile Christ and Anti-Christ through some kind of wishful thinking.  You can't.  

Don't you understand what Ratzinger is?  Don't you know what Wojtyla is?  You'd think that no one has ever told you about ANTICHRIST before -- and while I can't be sure if either of these men are the actual son of perdition or man of sin, they are certainly his forerunners!  These men are practically the greatest enemies that Christ has EVER had and you pray una cuм?  Snap out of it!  The SSPX AND Novus Ordo work together, intentionally or not, to put you in a TRANCE.  

Dogmatic sedevacantists disgust me.  They are objectively schismatic and their arguments are as bad, if not worse, than a conservative NO.  

Another case of an ad hominum attack rather than a response to the points raised.  Is their any intelligent life out there?

I wish there was a rule that one someone disagrees with a point that they respond to the point rather than attack the person.  More proof that there is no intelligent response to refute the facts.  

I again compliment Catholic Martyr for arueing to the point.  He at least sticks to the issue.

The nanny nanny boo boo stuff is for non-Catholic two year olds.