Author Topic: Conservative NO Priest and lay-person discuss SV (Read 12095 times)

Caminus · « **Reply #20 on:** September 15, 2009, 10:48:21 PM »

Like what?

Belloc · « **Reply #21 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:38:03 AM »

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except to say that they are heretics, because they obey a manifest heretic who heads an apostate, false church.
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Comment-exact same lingo used by Fundi Prots about the RCC, another intersting parallel, same road of personal inspiration and personal judgment....

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except that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs made up 99% of the clergy.
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Comment-exact same thing Kelly McGinley (Independant Baptist that extols much of Jack Chick theories)told me some yrs ago when I debate her online, she had no proof, but saying 99% is sorta like 1/3 doctors prescribe......a gimmick and sounds overwhelming.

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Donatists thought with emotion instead of intellect; they failed to distinguish the flawed man from the office he held.
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Comment-rather proves Caminus' point, you emote heavily and rely heavily on personal insight..throw around a lot of generalizations, usaully making little sense

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The difference with me is that I didn't leave the Church. I found it.
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Comment-which one? Sounds more like a church of One.

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and since the sedevacantists are the Church today,
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Comment-yikes, that is rather presumptious and arrogant.when did God give you authority to judge others minds and hearts? You make a good Calvinist! ALso, which Sedes are you talking about? The ones that Recognize Pius XII as last Pope? the ones that recognize John XXIII as last Pope? CM, who recognizes none of the last 100 yrs of Popes? Which Sede's are right? is it hte mystical union of all Sede's? Much liek the invisible Church of Prots...

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are not part of the true Church and acknowledge Ratzinger's apostate sect instead. Antichrist and Christ do not exist side-by-side, no matter how you tie your mind into a Gordian knot.
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Comemnt-again emoting and personal judgment, sounds really tough talk-again, liek Calvinists, can see your arms swinging triumphantly in the eair, but no proof Joseph Ratzinger indiviudal apostasized, which means compeltely denying Christ.You and others also call him a heretic, which means recognizing Christ, but in a non-revealed way-which is it then? Does Ratzinger deny Christ or follow man-made Christian beleifs? There is a difference in the terms "apostate" and "heretic"....if one leaves RCC and becomes a Buddhist or тαℓмυdic jews, he apostisizes....if ones leaves RCC to baptist, he is heretic.....

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I am a dogmatic sedevacantist because I want to cut the Gordian knot, and this can only be done by professing the Catholic faith whole and entire, without compromise.
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Comment-so said Luther, he thought he was doing hte smae thing too, supproting pure nad undefiled Christianity..Sedes down the same road, just slightly different lingo at times....

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To do this the first step to be taken is to define the Church, to figure out where it is.
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Comment-on your own personal judgment, what ever happened to "lean not on your won judgment"?

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It cannot be with the head of a false religion like Ratzinger,
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Comment-again, personal opinion...also, if you are the true Catholic, why do you not use his proper title, which would be Fr.Ratzinger, assuming he is not a Pope or Bishop?

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Since the Catholic Church is where its head is, and we have no visible head, we must be sedevacantists and conclude they are the true Church.
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Comment-hoc ergo proc.....

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have nothing to do with any secret wish of mine to see people in hell.
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Comment-all I can say is :roll-laugh2:, nice try at humility...

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But there is a creeping rot, a false sense of charity, a false sense of tolerance, that sits by idly while Christ is being blasphemed, and you'd better believe that I am not going to be ANY party to it. I fear God too much for that.
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Comment-actually, can agree the Church has terrible rot, but still, too much private judgment.. Iwould fear God as Sede position ultimately makes Christ in Mt 16 to be a liar...again, many Prots in 16thc said same thing, they thought they were leaving the Whore and aobeying God......most did not forsee their error until too late, some never....

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I am going to tell you what you need to do to be a good Catholic, which is to DESPISE heresy and offenses to the goodness of God
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Comment-here again, we see Raoul appoints himself Pope and Prophet....

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You'd think that no one has ever told you about ANTICHRIST before -- and while I can't be sure if either of these men are the actual son of perdition or man of sin, they are certainly his forerunners! These men are practically the greatest enemies that Christ has EVER
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Comment-and presumbly you receive little-no sacrements since we are all heretics to you, so you think you will have enough graces to withstand the Deciever? At least now you admit your "Catholic" knowledge eariler was faulty, taht of actually stating Man of Sin is a false Pope....how can you instruct others when you did not even know some time ago in other posts anything about the Antichrist=Jew?? or the End Times as taought down through centuries by Church?? Recall in another thread, I corrected you as you were spouting Jack Chick like End times about the RCC, Pope,etc.....yet you advise others and somehow have the truth..?

Question-as Chant CD is not a Sede to my knowledge and scripture notes to have nothing to do with children of darkness,esp if you have chastised them and they do not lsiten, why are you-and your allies-here at this forum? Are you not in violation of scriptural mandate to have nothing to do with us "heretics"? do you have nowhere else to go? no sede forums out there? Are you not in violation and in "offense to God"?????

Belloc · « **Reply #22 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:38:51 AM »

Sorry could not properly get [] quotes to work, my comemnts are labelled "comments"

Elizabeth · « **Reply #23 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:56:32 AM »

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Dogmatic sedevacantists disgust me. They are objectively schismatic and their arguments are as bad, if not worse, than a conservative NO.

Another case of an ad hominum attack rather than a response to the points raised. Is their any intelligent life out there?

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Elizabeth · « **Reply #24 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:58:44 AM »

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Dogmatic sedevacantists disgust me. They are objectively schismatic and their arguments are as bad, if not worse, than a conservative NO.

That's because you put words into other's mouths. You did it to me, Caminus. You classify all sedevacantists as "dogmatic" because that's your little game.

It's your fall-back position whenever you can't answer the arguments.

False. Caminus did no such thing. He has always made clear the distinction between private opinions and dogmatic declarations on pain of mortal sin a nd damnation.