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Title: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on November 20, 2022, 02:08:28 AM: A few 'private revelations' seem to be aligning that might place the Consecration of Russia out by only a few years. I'm only putting these out as the musings of a layman...

1- Malachi Martin gave one interview in which he stated (paraphrasing), "Russia, Ukraine and Kiev are very important in the Consecration." As the interview was given decades ago, the fact that it was so specific caught my ear.

2- Lifesitenews ran a story maybe a year ago of a man who went to Italy in the early 1980's and met up with a 'prophet' (I think in the Assisi region) who stated unbelievably that Donald Trump would become President of the United States and lead the world back to God. As absurdly unlikely as that seems, technically it could still happen and it coincides with the timeline of Malachi Martin, and with what's brewing in Ukraine.

3- Padre Pio had a talk with some of his spiritual children and they asked about the Consecration. Padre Pio apparently told them that they wouldn't see it, but their children would. That was in the 1960's so those children would now be in their 50's and 60's. Perfect timing for this psychotic and satanic world.

These, of course, have zero official bearing. I only put them out there as the timelines strangely coincide. Of course, Bergi will have to go as we'll need a legit pontiff, but, hey, if a Holy Father can facilitate Pachamama worship and canonize a Koran-kisser, then anything is possible.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Incredulous on November 20, 2022, 07:26:48 PM: In trying to understand what might happen, I personally would discount both Malachi Martin and Trump.

This forum is archived with many reason why and the most recent being the assertion, that Trump is a crypto Jєω, involved in the building of the Jєωs
3rd Temple. Here's a link on this: https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/ss-news/930/

The German Catholic mystic that seems unbiased in his visions is Alois Irlmaier. He died in 1959 and is best known for his vision of WWIII.
In that scenario, he saw the 3-Days of Darkness coming immediately after WWIII and the aftermath of all that.

Perhaps the Consecration will happen after the dust settles from those two blow-outs ?
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Yeti on November 20, 2022, 07:48:01 PM: Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on November 20, 2022, 02:08:28 AM
A few 'private revelations' seem to be aligning that might place the Consecration of Russia out by only a few years. I'm only putting these out as the musings of a layman...

1- Malachi Martin gave one interview in which he stated (paraphrasing), "Russia, Ukraine and Kiev are very important in the Consecration." As the interview was given decades ago, the fact that it was so specific caught my ear.

2- Lifesitenews ran a story maybe a year ago of a man who went to Italy in the early 1980's and met up with a 'prophet' (I think in the Assisi region) who stated unbelievably that Donald Trump would become President of the United States and lead the world back to God. As absurdly unlikely as that seems, technically it could still happen and it coincides with the timeline of Malachi Martin, and with what's brewing in Ukraine.

3- Padre Pio had a talk with some of his spiritual children and they asked about the Consecration. Padre Pio apparently told them that they wouldn't see it, but their children would. That was in the 1960's so those children would now be in their 50's and 60's. Perfect timing for this psychotic and satanic world.

These, of course, have zero official bearing. I only put them out there as the timelines strangely coincide. Of course, Bergi will have to go as we'll need a legit pontiff, but, hey, if a Holy Father can facilitate Pachamama worship and canonize a Koran-kisser, then anything is possible.
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1. Malachi Martin is a con artist (https://www.truerestoration.org/season-2-flagship-show-episode-29-malachi-martin/).
2. Pretty weird story, but the really interesting part of that prophecy(?) wasn't fulfilled. The part about Trump leading the world back to God.
3. I'd be hesitant to put too much weight on a lot of things attributed to Padre Pio. The modernists try to claim him as one of their own. They put statements in his mouth that make them look good. They could have made this up by saying Padre Pio said one of their antipopes would be the one to consecrate Russia, which legitimizes the modernist antipopes.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Miser Peccator on November 20, 2022, 10:39:18 PM: We must be very careful about the Fatima message because they already have a

fake Sister Lucy they have paraded around

fake third secret they read to the world

several fake consecrations

and they can fake the miracle of the sun with various types of technology.

Tump and Putin are slated to rebuild the Third Temple as mentioned above.

So I don't see Trump leading the world back to our GOD.

He is a self-admitted Luciferian.

(https://i.imgur.com/rMZ5c5i.png)

Who put Kabbalah spells on the Whitehouse:

A Moroccan Kabbalist in the White House

"the election of Trump does not only mean that there will be Shabbat candles every Friday night at the White House, but that Moroccan mystic kabbalists will bless the White House from Ashdod every Shabbat."7

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/662551/pdf (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/662551/pdf)

Plus:

Many statues were toppled during Trump's tenure, yet it was only one in particular which Donald Trump requested to be restored:

Fellow Luciferian Albert Pike!

So when Trump talks about God do not be deceived,

he is talking about his god

Lucifer!

(https://i.imgur.com/9v2sA3J.png)
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Ladislaus on November 21, 2022, 12:06:13 AM: :facepalm:

Martin can't be trusted, but it's very clear that he was well connected, though probably not in a good way. He worked for Bea during V2 to dig up dirt on the various Council Fathers in order to leverage that against them. But he was certainly an insider. Much of what he says is undoubtedly true, but a fair bit of it is either made up or sensationalized / exaggerated (for book sales, ratings, etc.) and even for possible disinfo. He did in fact tie Fatima somehow to Russia + Ukraine a couple decades ago, so that part of it might be based on something real, though it could also be informed by knowledge of what was being planned by the Globalist Jєωs. I doubt that Our Lady mentioned Ukraine by name in the Third Secret.

But we don't need Martin to now that Russia will most likely kickoff the unravelling of this entire crisis by invading Western Europe. I personally find both Elena Aiello and Alois Irlmaier to be very credible, and they both agree on that. According to Irlmaier, however, the invasion is kicked off by the assassination of a "great one". Russia then retaliates by invading Europe. Could this be an assassination of Vladimir Putin? Evidently it takes place somewhere in or near the Balkans, and Russia's first target is to wipe Prague (the Golden City) off the map, which implies that the assassins were from Prague (Czech Republic). Though Putin doesn't stop there, which suggests EU/NATO sponsorship and involvement in the entire thing.

What's interesting is that to get to Prague (and Irlmaier does say it's a ground invasion), Russia would have to cut through the entire width of Ukraine and then through the southern (though narrowest) part of Poland. Does this imply that Russia does ultimately gain control / mastery over Ukraine? Hard to say. But evidently the attack happens so quickly with a massive blitzkrieg, that Irlmaier describe people sitting in a pub and then suddenly being surprised by seeing Russian soldiers out the window. Given how quickly information travels in this electronic age, that would certainly have to be the mother of all lightning attacks. So this suggests that there were already Russian troops all over Ukraine, and that they set out from there ... which would allow them to get to Prague and to Austria / Germany quickly enough to surprise the inhabitants there.

So Irlmaier says there are 3 spearheads in the attack, with one turning south, the other straight through, and a third north. At some point, the West turns the tide by unleashing some bizarre (Irlmaier calls it diabolical) weapon that destroys all living things (plans, human beings) but does not destroy property. He sees tanks continuing to move as the inhabitants inside are killed. Sounds like a neutron bomb, except that he says it's a greenish-yellow dust, and that the areas remain uninhabitable for some time. He describes them putting this stuff down all across Europe from the Black Sea to the North Sea to entirely cut off the Russian spearheads ... which are then able to be defeated in having been cut off form their supply lines. Interestingly, he sees Russia dropping a bomb near England that causes much of it to be submerged, along with the European coasts, and Russia has recently developed a "tsunami bomb" that would do precisely that ... and Irlmaier had no way to predict this. Irlmaier also talked about what he described as cigarette packs that people would stare intently at and would have moving colors. That could easily describe people and their cell phones, but he had no reference to understand this, so he described those the best he could.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on November 21, 2022, 08:49:04 AM: Just worry about working out your own salvation day to day; and make preparations for the coming tribulation. Whether or not Russia got/gets consecrated has no bearing on your soul and physical existence. The apocalypse is still unfolding regardless of a Russia consecration or lack thereof. The tribulation is still coming regardless of whether Russia gets consecrated or not. That's what you need to prepare for spiritually and physically.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Miles Christi on December 01, 2022, 09:41:36 PM: Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on November 21, 2022, 08:49:04 AM
Just worry about working out your own salvation day to day; and make preparations for the coming tribulation. Whether or not Russia got/gets consecrated has no bearing on your soul and physical existence. The apocalypse is still unfolding regardless of a Russia consecration or lack thereof. The tribulation is still coming regardless of whether Russia gets consecrated or not. That's what you need to prepare for spiritually and physically.
Amen brother!
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Jr1991 on December 01, 2022, 09:53:47 PM: Sadly(but not surprisingly), the neo-SSPX has declared that Bergolio’s fake consecration of Russia is legit.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: DigitalLogos on December 01, 2022, 09:55:10 PM: Quote from: Jr1991 on December 01, 2022, 09:53:47 PM
Sadly(but not surprisingly), the neo-SSPX has declared that Bergolio’s fake consecration of Russia is legit.
Yep, they have. Group rosary intentions at my chapel have been altered to the "conversion of Russia" instead of the "consecration of Russia". :facepalm:
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Jr1991 on December 01, 2022, 10:05:43 PM: Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 01, 2022, 09:55:10 PM
Yep, they have. Group rosary intentions at my chapel have been altered to the "conversion of Russia" instead of the "consecration of Russia". :facepalm:
Same here. I would receive weekly e-mails stating the importance of participating in this nonsense. I can't believe how many naive people fell for this hook, line, and sinker.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: hollingsworth on December 01, 2022, 11:00:15 PM: Quote
Sadly(but not surprisingly, the neo-SSPX has declared that Bergolio’s fake consecration of Russia is legit.
People complain about Francis' fake consecration, which it is, yet remain with the fake neo-SSPX. Why?
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Jr1991 on December 01, 2022, 11:46:37 PM: Quote from: hollingsworth on December 01, 2022, 11:00:15 PM
People complain about Francis' fake consecration, which it is, yet remain with the fake neo-SSPX. Why?

That's a good question and one that I have pondered myself. Unfortunately, there are no easy answers, but here is my take.

1.   During the plandemic, the SSPX was able to increase its numbers significantly. Most of the increase came from displaced Novus Ordo refugees looking for refuge when all the churches were closed. After the closures ended, these people (who would never consider attending an SSPX chapel in the past) were bitter by another betrayal of the Novus Ordo and ultimately decided to stay with the SSPX.

2.   Then there are faithful who can't imagine being without the sacraments and know of the SSPX corruption but have nowhere else to go, so they bite the bullet and stay with the Society.

3.   Then there are the cradle trads entirely brainwashed into thinking that whatever the SSPX says can't be questioned or challenged. Whatever decision they make is based on providence and can't be questioned. These folks, unfortunately, can't be changed.

I'm sure there are other reasons, but these are the ones that came to mind when you asked me the question.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Jr1991 on December 01, 2022, 11:51:32 PM: One more thing. Bergoglio has also helped the SSPX grow in numbers. Saying that they could have their sins absolved by an SSPX priest or married in an SSPX chapel gave a conservative member of the Novus Ordo a reason to jump ship. And don’t think the SSPX has not taken ***full** advantage of the situation.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: hollingsworth on December 02, 2022, 11:15:43 AM: Thank you, Jr1991, for your explanation. My wife and I started with the SSPX in @ 2001, on the heels of the the Vanderputten scandal. SSPX had been in existence since 1970, 30 years. We really knew nothing of its history. Only in recent times have we learned much about its past, prior to our coming into it. How shocked we were, along with many others, to find out how many scandals and crimes, over those years, had been covered up by the apostolate. Once we began to see the truth about SSPX, starting in 2009 with the infamous +Williamson interview, it was all downhill from there. Vanderputten was only the tip of the iceberg. We should have taken the clue in 2001, but were convinced at the time that it was merely a one-off.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 02, 2022, 11:18:52 AM: Quote from: Jr1991 on December 01, 2022, 09:53:47 PM
Sadly(but not surprisingly), the neo-SSPX has declared that Bergolio’s fake consecration of Russia is legit.
They have? Where?
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Sgt Rock USMC on December 02, 2022, 12:21:31 PM: There are some who believe the Consecration was already accomplished...

Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 1, p. 498:
“…in 1952. On July 7 of the same year, a month after the article by Dhanis, Pope Pius XII in his apostolic letter Sacro Vergente Anno, accomplished this consecration of Russia and it alone, by name – so much for Dhanis declaring it impossible!” (Immaculate Heart Publications)

Mark Fellows, Fatima in Twilight, p. 119:
“The letter went on to request that Pius consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart. He [Pius XII] did so in a letter to all Russians (Sacro vergente anno), writing in pertinent part, ‘today we consecrate and in a most special manner entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…’” (Marmion Publications, 2003)

From Pope Pius XII

Pope Pius XII, Sacro Vergente Anno (Apostolic Letter), July 7, 1952:
“…just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…”
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Jr1991 on December 02, 2022, 12:21:56 PM: Quote from: 2Vermont on December 02, 2022, 11:18:52 AM
They have? Where?

Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary - YouTube

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKsdvv_fiN8)
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on December 02, 2022, 12:27:56 PM: Quote from: Jr1991 on December 01, 2022, 09:53:47 PM
Sadly(but not surprisingly), the neo-SSPX has declared that Bergolio’s fake consecration of Russia is legit.

Strange days.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on December 02, 2022, 12:50:45 PM: Quote from: Sgt Rock USMC on December 02, 2022, 12:21:31 PM
There are some who believe the Consecration was already accomplished...

Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 1, p. 498:
“…in 1952. On July 7 of the same year, a month after the article by Dhanis, Pope Pius XII in his apostolic letter Sacro Vergente Anno, accomplished this consecration of Russia and it alone, by name – so much for Dhanis declaring it impossible!” (Immaculate Heart Publications)

Mark Fellows, Fatima in Twilight, p. 119:
“The letter went on to request that Pius consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart. He [Pius XII] did so in a letter to all Russians (Sacro vergente anno), writing in pertinent part, ‘today we consecrate and in a most special manner entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…’” (Marmion Publications, 2003)

From Pope Pius XII

Pope Pius XII, Sacro Vergente Anno (Apostolic Letter), July 7, 1952:
“…just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…”

Seems Pius XII would've understood it had to be in union with all of the bishops to meet the demand of the Blessed Virgin. Are they commenting here simply on the fact that he did Consecrate Russia, but did so in a private manner, or do they think this fulfilled the request? Strange. The Frere Michel book is a great book.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Yeti on December 02, 2022, 01:44:56 PM: Quote from: Sgt Rock USMC on December 02, 2022, 12:21:31 PM
There are some who believe the Consecration was already accomplished...

[...]

From Pope Pius XII

Pope Pius XII, Sacro Vergente Anno (Apostolic Letter), July 7, 1952:
“…just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…”
.

Yeah, this is debated. I'm not sure what to think, but the quote from Pius XII up there doesn't convince me. Our Lady didn't say to consecrate the "peoples of Russia", she said to "consecrate Russia", so this doesn't look to me like it fulfills the requirements. Also, it was supposed to be done in union with all the bishops of the world, which I don't think was done here either.

So I don't think it has been done the way Our Lady asked.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: 2Vermont on December 02, 2022, 01:54:31 PM: Quote from: Yeti on December 02, 2022, 01:44:56 PM
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Yeah, this is debated. I'm not sure what to think, but the quote from Pius XII up there doesn't convince me. Our Lady didn't say to consecrate the "peoples of Russia", she said to "consecrate Russia", so this doesn't look to me like it fulfills the requirements. Also, it was supposed to be done in union with all the bishops of the world, which I don't think was done here either.

So I don't think it has been done the way Our Lady asked.
It's not an exact quote of what Our Lady said, but then again, the consecration words are not the same thing as the form of a sacrament which has to be done exactly the way the Church says.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on December 02, 2022, 02:01:02 PM: I'd always understood the Blessed Virgin gave the formula to Sister Lucy in 1929, while Sister Lucy was at Tuy.

'The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father, in union with all the bishops of the world, to make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Sgt Rock USMC on December 02, 2022, 02:10:04 PM: Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on December 02, 2022, 12:50:45 PM
Seems Pius XII would've understood it had to be in union with all of the bishops to meet the demand of the Blessed Virgin. Are they commenting here simply on the fact that he did Consecrate Russia, but did so in a private manner, or do they think this fulfilled the request? Strange. The Frere Michel book is a great book.

Have you ever looked into the Dimond's research on the subject? It's well done with many references.

They explain the following....

MHFM
But didn’t Our Lady promise that Russia would be consecrated in union with all the bishops of the world? No! This is a key point. Our Lady requested that Russia be consecrated in union with all the bishops of the world, but on July 13 she only promised that “In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and it will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.” Notice that Our Lady didn’t promise: “The Holy Father and all the bishops will consecrate Russia to me…” Further, heaven revealed that the actual fulfillment of the consecration of Russia would not be fully in accord with heaven’s original wishes; for instance, it would be “late”.

They further go on to state...

MHFM

HE WILL DO THE CONSECRATION, BUT IT WILL BE “LATE” – FITS POPE PIUS XII
It is certain that Pope Pius XI failed to consecrate Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart. Pope Pius XII also failed to do so for many years, but (as we saw) he finally did consecrate Russia in 1952.

Our Lord to Sister Lucy, Summer, 1931: “Like the King of France they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors throughout the world provoking wars and persecutions against the Church: the Holy Father will have much to suffer.” (quoted in The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 2, pp. 543-544)

It’s clear that, as most commentators agree, Our Lord’s words “They” will repent and do it apply to the line of popes – just as popes in encyclicals refer to themselves as “We.” (“They” cannot refer to the pope and all the bishops, because all the bishops did not delay the request and therefore do not need to repent of delaying it.)

That Pope Pius XII was the one who did it, but “late,” makes perfect sense.

First, Pope Pius XII consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1942. Ten years later, however, he “repented and did it” by specifically consecrating Russia.

I don't know... I think it's very interesting, and it makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on December 02, 2022, 04:12:28 PM: Definitely interesting and I haven't heard it before. The two things I might have an issue with are 1) the method to be used is so specific (all the bishops) and 2) the result, or fruit, of the Consecration itself. The world has never experienced a period of peace, which will show (presumably to the entire world) the power of the Papacy and also Marian intercession. Sure would be nice to know the 3rd Secret.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Ladislaus on December 02, 2022, 06:07:13 PM: This is one of the issues on which I do not see eye to eye with the Dimonds.

What Our Lady was referring to with the errors of Russia wasn't the Soviet Union and/or China ... but their eventual substitution of the Catholic Church with the Anti-Church. That's when these errors of Russia reached their peak, and that is what the Third Secret was all about, not about the physical murders committed by Russia, but about the spiritual murders caused by those behind the errors of Russia (the Jєωs). There has been no "conversion" of the Jєωish assault ... which manifests itself primarily in what's happened to the Church.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Ladislaus on December 02, 2022, 06:09:27 PM: Quote from: DigitalLogos on December 01, 2022, 09:55:10 PM
Yep, they have. Group rosary intentions at my chapel have been altered to the "conversion of Russia" instead of the "consecration of Russia". :facepalm:

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

But ... Our Lady promised that Russia would be converted by the consecration.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on December 02, 2022, 06:35:55 PM: Leave it to the SSPX to lambast everyone while changing, on the quiet, everything under the sun. The facts, unfortunately, are too numerous to list here.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: Shrewd Operator on December 02, 2022, 07:05:50 PM: As far as Pius XII or anyone else doing a consecration; if any pope had done it correctly, Russia would have be come a Catholic confessional state and the Immaculate Heart would be getting the honor it deserves.

Pius XII and JPII and any others who did consecrations of Russia that were imperfect, or consecrated other things to the Blessed Virgin, seem to have only bought us time, or reduced the severity of the tribulations.
Title: Re: Consecration of Russia - when and how?
Post by: hollingsworth on December 02, 2022, 08:09:15 PM: Quote
Sgt: There are some who believe the Consecration was already accomplished...

Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 1, p. 498:
“…in 1952. On July 7 of the same year, a month after the article by Dhanis, Pope Pius XII in his apostolic letter Sacro Vergente Anno, accomplished this consecration of Russia and it alone, by name – so much for Dhanis declaring it impossible!” (Immaculate Heart Publications)

Mark Fellows, Fatima in Twilight, p. 119:
“The letter went on to request that Pius consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart. He [Pius XII] did so in a letter to all Russians (Sacro vergente anno), writing in pertinent part, ‘today we consecrate and in a most special manner entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…’” (Marmion Publications, 2003)

From Pope Pius XII

Pope Pius XII, Sacro Vergente Anno (Apostolic Letter), July 7, 1952:
“…just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…”

Time out. I don't believe any of these authors testifies that Russia has been consecrated according to the instruction of Our Lady. They simply record historical events without passing judgment on them. For that reason, these brief excerpts can be misleading to the careless reader.
Sr. Lucy herself did not recognize any of these so-called "consecrations" to have fulfilled the Virgin's demands.