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Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: gladius_veritatis on June 22, 2007, 10:39:50 AM
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: gladius_veritatis on June 22, 2007, 10:42:20 AM
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Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Magdalene on June 26, 2007, 12:24:45 AM
Does anyone here know why Malachi Martin left the priesthood?
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: gladius_veritatis on June 26, 2007, 08:38:41 AM
Does anyone know why he became a priest in the first place?

He was, it would seem, a text book Judas goat - an infiltrator who appears to be on the side of the sheep, only to lead them to eventual slaughter.
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: gladius_veritatis on June 26, 2007, 12:40:30 PM
I see FE has a thread containing an article "correcting" the "myths" about Martin's status as a Judas goat - but it is from a source, WorldNetDaily, that is neo-conservative garbage.  Joseph Farah is himself a Judas goat, claiming to be a "conservative Christian", all the while being very pro-Israel.

As someone once said/sang, "Don't believe the hype."

The reason Martin knew about certain events is because he had insider knowledge.  Double agents always do, leaking what has been deemed useful for the control of the opposition to the establishment.

One poor lady cannot fathom that Martin could possibly be a double agent - simply because he dedicated some of his books to Our Lady.  Good double agents do not always act as if they are infiltrators, and that for obvious reasons.

He also wrote some books under various pseudonyms, the trail of which point to him a the priest-spy (and author of The Pilgrim, which caused big problems for the true, conservative resistance) in the Vatican who shuttled back and forth between Rome and NY (B'nai B'rith) during the much-maligned council.
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Stephanos on June 27, 2007, 04:24:10 PM
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One poor lady cannot fathom that Martin could possibly be a double agent - simply because he dedicated some of his books to Our Lady.  Good double agents do not always act as if they are infiltrators, and that for obvious reasons.


Like Adam Weishaupt of Rothschild devised Illuminati infamy.
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Daniel on June 28, 2007, 02:09:46 AM
 
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Does anyone here know why Malachi Martin left the priesthood?

 
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Does anyone know why he became a priest in the first place?
 

Could anyone with a meaningful Catholic life to live possibly give a stuff?

Can someone explain what good it could possibly do anyone to be obsessing over this ridiculous nonsense?
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Stephanos on June 28, 2007, 09:34:04 AM
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The reason Martin knew about certain events is because he had insider knowledge.  Double agents always do, leaking what has been deemed useful for the control of the opposition to the establishment.


Being aware of this so as not to be taken in by it is commanded by Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Gospel of St. Matthew Chapter 24:

23  Then if any man shall say to you, Lo here is Christ, or there: do not believe him.
24  For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
25  Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
26  If therefore they shall say to you, Behold he is in the desert: go ye not out. Behold he is in the closets: believe it not. (DRV)
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: gladius_veritatis on June 28, 2007, 10:23:33 PM
Quote from: Daniel
Can someone explain what good it could possibly do anyone to be obsessing over this ridiculous nonsense?


We thank you for the crucial contribution, Daniel.

Who is "obsessing"?  

The man in question is taken by many to have been a great friend of those who resist V2.  I contend he is a Judas goat of the first order.  As such, I believe it is important to let people know the facts.  

Cheers.
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Daniel on June 29, 2007, 03:32:35 AM
To what end doth thou holdest this man out to be a goat worthy of the name Judas?
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Stephanos on June 29, 2007, 06:49:46 AM
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: clare on June 29, 2007, 10:54:40 AM
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Stephanos on June 29, 2007, 02:52:25 PM
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: gladius_veritatis on June 29, 2007, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: Daniel
To what end doth thou holdest this man out to be a goat worthy of the name Judas?


It is true that such a label gives (most) goats a bad name, but...
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Daniel on June 29, 2007, 11:55:12 PM
That doesn't answer the question. Nor does it explain this disgraceful public judgement of yours.
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: clare on June 30, 2007, 03:16:45 AM
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Stephanos on June 30, 2007, 09:00:48 AM
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: Daniel on June 30, 2007, 05:52:53 PM
Stephanos wrote:
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No one said anything about his person
You must be joking. Or perhaps you need to read this thread again.
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: clare on July 01, 2007, 05:23:58 AM
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: dust-7 on July 11, 2007, 05:22:29 AM
Quote from: gladius_veritatis
I see FE has a thread containing an article "correcting" the "myths" about Martin's status as a Judas goat - but it is from a source, WorldNetDaily, that is neo-conservative garbage.  Joseph Farah is himself a Judas goat, claiming to be a "conservative Christian", all the while being very pro-Israel.


Don't get confused, here. One can be very much, pro-Israel, and be Catholic at the same time - even though orthodox rabbis in Israel may have little good to say about Catholics (what they say about Roman Protestants, is beside the point).

Grassmaier, and others, would seem to have Martin dead to rights. They start with an article in LOOK, identifying an 'agent' promoting the cause of those still defending the actions of those of the old Temple against Our Lord. And the agent is given four names, that he uses. One is Serafian. And there is some connection, not airtight, but very suggestive, between Martin and the pen-name Serafian.

And then the question becomes - why? And particularly why would he criticize the 'Satanism within'? Why wouldn't he attempt to pretty-paint everything done under the regimes of the PC 'Popes'?

And so some suggest it was so that his advice - do nothing, attempt no Catholicism, no restoration, etc - would be taken to heart by those opposing 'reform'.

I think what Catholics remember about Martin was that Bell wanted to call him 'Father' Martin and that he actually appeared on the old Art Bell 'pagan mysteries' show. It just didn't seem very Catholic. That doesn't mean that all his complaints about the Jebbies, for example, are misleading or inaccurate. But I think one might do better than waste time with a guy like that.

But the blame for the recent talk about the Jews 'waiting' for the great Promised Messiah, which a Roman Protestant denial of Our Lord's Messiahship, is not Martin's fault. Blame should go where it belongs, A) the phony 'Popes', B) the phony 'bishops'. That's it. No one else. Martin could have been ginning up the leftist press. Others might have done so. But so what? That's not where the decisions were made.
Title: Confirmation of Malachi Martin's double-agent status?
Post by: dust-7 on July 11, 2007, 05:25:36 AM
Quote from: Clare
It simply means that we may not judge persons. Of course we can judge that things they've said or done are unacceptable.

Clare.


And Catholics do. And that's the problem many, particularly the Roman Protestants, would have with Catholics.