Author Topic: Conference talk by FSSP Priest (Read 2401 times)

jhfromsf68 · « **on:** August 18, 2012, 11:18:22 PM »

Hi everyone,

I came across this talk by an FSSP priest and I don't know what to think about it.
He seems to have some hostility towards the SSPX or at least he has some mistaken ideas about the society being "outside" the Church. He also seems to be pushing the reform of the reform movement. I don't feel comfortable with alot of what he's saying. Just wanted to get some input from other traditional Catholics

Latin Mass Conference

songbird · « **Reply #1 on:** August 19, 2012, 04:51:32 PM »

FSSP are indult. They are not traditional. They are infil tratitors. They are of the dioceses. Anyone of the dioceses are not valid. Stay away!

insidebaseball · « **Reply #2 on:** August 19, 2012, 05:21:50 PM »

sorry songbird I meant to give you a thumbs up!

songbird · « **Reply #3 on:** August 19, 2012, 05:31:53 PM »

It's Okay. that is the story of my life. ha! I never take notice of those yellow faces.

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #4 on:** August 19, 2012, 08:08:40 PM »

Quote from: jhfromsf68

Hi everyone,

I came across this talk by an FSSP priest and I don't know what to think about it.
He seems to have some hostility towards the SSPX or at least he has some mistaken ideas about the society being "outside" the Church. He also seems to be pushing the reform of the reform movement. I don't feel comfortable with alot of what he's saying. Just wanted to get some input from other traditional Catholics

Latin Mass Conference

What do you expect? FSSP are "smells and bells" pseudo-traditionalists. They are used for the purpose of dividing the traditional movement.

Any "traditionalist" group that looks to have the TLM live side by side with the NO, or have communion with heretical bishops should be looked at as an enemy of the Church.

FSSP are sell-outs who bit the hand that fed them.

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #5 on:** August 19, 2012, 09:49:16 PM »

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Any "traditionalist" group that looks to have the TLM live side by side with the NO, or have communion with heretical bishops should be looked at as an enemy of the Church.

So it is really bad that I've been going to the Latin Mass through the Diocese? I haven't taken communion yet, but I just want to learn and be more comfortable with the Tridentine mass. As strange as it sounds, I have very high anxiety about it.

CMRI is really just too far to drive to regularly, and I haven't researched the beliefs enough yet and I feel very confused by the little bit I have learned.

Not too long ago I discovered there is an SSPX chapel that isn't as far, but I am not sure this one would be a good fit for me, and it is still quite the drive when you are broke and trying not to use too much gas. Not to mention that I need some work done on my car but don't have the money yet, so in the meantime I really prefer not to leave town in case it dies on me.

I will feel terrible not going to mass at all.

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2012, 07:04:26 AM »

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Any "traditionalist" group that looks to have the TLM live side by side with the NO, or have communion with heretical bishops should be looked at as an enemy of the Church.

So it is really bad that I've been going to the Latin Mass through the Diocese? I haven't taken communion yet, but I just want to learn and be more comfortable with the Tridentine mass. As strange as it sounds, I have very high anxiety about it.

CMRI is really just too far to drive to regularly, and I haven't researched the beliefs enough yet and I feel very confused by the little bit I have learned.

Not too long ago I discovered there is an SSPX chapel that isn't as far, but I am not sure this one would be a good fit for me, and it is still quite the drive when you are broke and trying not to use too much gas. Not to mention that I need some work done on my car but don't have the money yet, so in the meantime I really prefer not to leave town in case it dies on me.

I will feel terrible not going to mass at all.

PW-

My post was directed at those groups who seek to have Tradition coincide with Modernism. It was not a judgement of those who attend their masses for any number of reasons. Circuмstances oftentimes dictate what we have to do.

Your faith is young and in need of nurturing. I would not encourage you to not go to Mass if there is a valid mass available. If you are growing in your faith at the Diocesan mass, then go there. I have sometimes had to do the same thing out of necessity. I now assist exclusively at the SSPX, but not everyone is in as fortunate a situation.

I understand the CMRI are sede's, which wouldn't keep me from going there if that was my only viable option. I, personally, am not a sede. I do not judge those who have reached that conclusion in our confusing time, however.

If circuмstances do not allow us to get to an SSPX chapel or some other "unofficial" group, I would recommend you going to the Diocesan mass if your faith is being nurtured there. I have been to many different diocesan locations where the priests are very orthodox and doing the best they can in their situation. I have reservations about diocesan masses for a lot of the same reasons that other trads do; but I just can't recommend staying home if there is a valid mass around.

Ultimately we will be judged by how much we have been conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. We will not be sent to hell because we didn't fully grasp certain theological nuances or that we didn't come to the correct conclusion regarding the occupant of Peter's Throne.

Go to mass, say your Rosary, read the Fathers, Doctors and saints of the Church and be like Christ.

Belloc · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2012, 07:39:49 AM »

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Quote from: jhfromsf68
Hi everyone,

I came across this talk by an FSSP priest and I don't know what to think about it.
He seems to have some hostility towards the SSPX or at least he has some mistaken ideas about the society being "outside" the Church. He also seems to be pushing the reform of the reform movement. I don't feel comfortable with alot of what he's saying. Just wanted to get some input from other traditional Catholics

Latin Mass Conference

What do you expect? FSSP are "smells and bells" pseudo-traditionalists. They are used for the purpose of dividing the traditional movement.

Any "traditionalist" group that looks to have the TLM live side by side with the NO, or have communion with heretical bishops should be looked at as an enemy of the Church.

FSSP are sell-outs who bit the hand that fed them.

I have some issues w/FSSP too, but the description of your traditionalists seems a bit broad brushed and harsh, esp in line with the historty of the last 50 yrs, confusion as we have not seen before. Sometime,s priests and bishops wake up, but are often feeling trapped or confused.....they may still be valid priests and bishops though........some "traditionalists" tend to take a very black/white view of clergy and others that they themselves MAY not have the courage themselves to take-ie, breaking away and losing thier homes, benefits,etc.......some are not sure where to go.........again, many have a "I would not hesitate to do ____ or ___", but when push comes to shove, likely they may choke too......

Say that these people are automatically "enemies of the Church" is often too broad and generic........many sedes, for instance, could and have, said this about ABL/SSPX, since neither accepted the vacant seat.....

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2012, 08:27:19 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

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Quote from: jhfromsf68
Hi everyone,

I came across this talk by an FSSP priest and I don't know what to think about it.
He seems to have some hostility towards the SSPX or at least he has some mistaken ideas about the society being "outside" the Church. He also seems to be pushing the reform of the reform movement. I don't feel comfortable with alot of what he's saying. Just wanted to get some input from other traditional Catholics

Latin Mass Conference

What do you expect? FSSP are "smells and bells" pseudo-traditionalists. They are used for the purpose of dividing the traditional movement.

Any "traditionalist" group that looks to have the TLM live side by side with the NO, or have communion with heretical bishops should be looked at as an enemy of the Church.

FSSP are sell-outs who bit the hand that fed them.

I have some issues w/FSSP too, but the description of your traditionalists seems a bit broad brushed and harsh, esp in line with the historty of the last 50 yrs, confusion as we have not seen before. Sometime,s priests and bishops wake up, but are often feeling trapped or confused.....they may still be valid priests and bishops though........some "traditionalists" tend to take a very black/white view of clergy and others that they themselves MAY not have the courage themselves to take-ie, breaking away and losing thier homes, benefits,etc.......some are not sure where to go.........again, many have a "I would not hesitate to do ____ or ___", but when push comes to shove, likely they may choke too......

Say that these people are automatically "enemies of the Church" is often too broad and generic........many sedes, for instance, could and have, said this about ABL/SSPX, since neither accepted the vacant seat.....

The Church is in the biggest crisis since "the world groaned and awoke to find itself Arian." Modernism is the most insidious heresy to ever affect the Church. Part of the proof of this is seen in the concessions that traditionalists are willing to make with it. Could one be an Arian and a Catholic back in the 4th century? Neither can one be a Modernist and a Catholic now.

All diocesan clergy the world over are infected with this heresy to one extent or another. If an otherwise orthodox priest says the N.O, he is a modernist, or has at least made some peace with Modernism.

The Faithful are left to make the tough choices particular to their situation. Again, I do not judge those who attend "approved" masses. Neither those who attend sede chapels. My disgust is with those clergy (pope, bishops and priests) whose job it is to teach and pass on the Faith giving the laity stones instead of bread.

Objectively speaking, the FSSP, ICKSP etc sold out to modernist rome for their 30 pieces of "regularization."

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2012, 08:36:25 AM »

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Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Roland Deschain
Quote from: jhfromsf68
Hi everyone,

I came across this talk by an FSSP priest and I don't know what to think about it.
He seems to have some hostility towards the SSPX or at least he has some mistaken ideas about the society being "outside" the Church. He also seems to be pushing the reform of the reform movement. I don't feel comfortable with alot of what he's saying. Just wanted to get some input from other traditional Catholics

Latin Mass Conference

What do you expect? FSSP are "smells and bells" pseudo-traditionalists. They are used for the purpose of dividing the traditional movement.

Any "traditionalist" group that looks to have the TLM live side by side with the NO, or have communion with heretical bishops should be looked at as an enemy of the Church.

FSSP are sell-outs who bit the hand that fed them.

I have some issues w/FSSP too, but the description of your traditionalists seems a bit broad brushed and harsh, esp in line with the historty of the last 50 yrs, confusion as we have not seen before. Sometime,s priests and bishops wake up, but are often feeling trapped or confused.....they may still be valid priests and bishops though........some "traditionalists" tend to take a very black/white view of clergy and others that they themselves MAY not have the courage themselves to take-ie, breaking away and losing thier homes, benefits,etc.......some are not sure where to go.........again, many have a "I would not hesitate to do ____ or ___", but when push comes to shove, likely they may choke too......

Say that these people are automatically "enemies of the Church" is often too broad and generic........many sedes, for instance, could and have, said this about ABL/SSPX, since neither accepted the vacant seat.....

The Church is in the biggest crisis since "the world groaned and awoke to find itself Arian." Modernism is the most insidious heresy to ever affect the Church. Part of the proof of this is seen in the concessions that traditionalists are willing to make with it. Could one be an Arian and a Catholic back in the 4th century? Neither can one be a Modernist and a Catholic now.

All diocesan clergy the world over are infected with this heresy to one extent or another. If an otherwise orthodox priest says the N.O, he is a modernist, or has at least made some peace with Modernism.

The Faithful are left to make the tough choices particular to their situation. Again, I do not judge those who attend "approved" masses. Neither those who attend sede chapels. My disgust is with those clergy (pope, bishops and priests) whose job it is to teach and pass on the Faith giving the laity stones instead of bread.

Objectively speaking, the FSSP, ICKSP etc sold out to modernist rome for their 30 pieces of "regularization."

many diocesan priests have woken up, but are now feeling trapped, to automatically declare them an "enemy" is rather unfair to them.......plus, many in FSSP feel same way-they joined and now, see the problems.....but leaving is difficult........many are not modernists, but feeling either trapped or confused and need some guidance....and support......

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2012, 08:42:29 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Roland Deschain
Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Roland Deschain
Quote from: jhfromsf68
Hi everyone,

I came across this talk by an FSSP priest and I don't know what to think about it.
He seems to have some hostility towards the SSPX or at least he has some mistaken ideas about the society being "outside" the Church. He also seems to be pushing the reform of the reform movement. I don't feel comfortable with alot of what he's saying. Just wanted to get some input from other traditional Catholics

Latin Mass Conference

What do you expect? FSSP are "smells and bells" pseudo-traditionalists. They are used for the purpose of dividing the traditional movement.

Any "traditionalist" group that looks to have the TLM live side by side with the NO, or have communion with heretical bishops should be looked at as an enemy of the Church.

FSSP are sell-outs who bit the hand that fed them.

I have some issues w/FSSP too, but the description of your traditionalists seems a bit broad brushed and harsh, esp in line with the historty of the last 50 yrs, confusion as we have not seen before. Sometime,s priests and bishops wake up, but are often feeling trapped or confused.....they may still be valid priests and bishops though........some "traditionalists" tend to take a very black/white view of clergy and others that they themselves MAY not have the courage themselves to take-ie, breaking away and losing thier homes, benefits,etc.......some are not sure where to go.........again, many have a "I would not hesitate to do ____ or ___", but when push comes to shove, likely they may choke too......

Say that these people are automatically "enemies of the Church" is often too broad and generic........many sedes, for instance, could and have, said this about ABL/SSPX, since neither accepted the vacant seat.....

The Church is in the biggest crisis since "the world groaned and awoke to find itself Arian." Modernism is the most insidious heresy to ever affect the Church. Part of the proof of this is seen in the concessions that traditionalists are willing to make with it. Could one be an Arian and a Catholic back in the 4th century? Neither can one be a Modernist and a Catholic now.

All diocesan clergy the world over are infected with this heresy to one extent or another. If an otherwise orthodox priest says the N.O, he is a modernist, or has at least made some peace with Modernism.

The Faithful are left to make the tough choices particular to their situation. Again, I do not judge those who attend "approved" masses. Neither those who attend sede chapels. My disgust is with those clergy (pope, bishops and priests) whose job it is to teach and pass on the Faith giving the laity stones instead of bread.

Objectively speaking, the FSSP, ICKSP etc sold out to modernist rome for their 30 pieces of "regularization."

many diocesan priests have woken up, but are now feeling trapped, to automatically declare them an "enemy" is rather unfair to them.......plus, many in FSSP feel same way-they joined and now, see the problems.....but leaving is difficult........many are not modernists, but feeling either trapped or confused and need some guidance....and support......

Of course there are those who do see the problems clearly. I understand that. Objectively speaking, though, the FSSP and other "approved" societies represent a sell-out to Modernism.

In the same way that there are those within the SSPX who would support a sell-out. That doesn't change the fact that the SSPX represents resistance to the modern errors.....at least for now.

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2012, 12:24:06 PM »

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Any "traditionalist" group that looks to have the TLM live side by side with the NO, or have communion with heretical bishops should be looked at as an enemy of the Church.

So it is really bad that I've been going to the Latin Mass through the Diocese? I haven't taken communion yet, but I just want to learn and be more comfortable with the Tridentine mass. As strange as it sounds, I have very high anxiety about it.

CMRI is really just too far to drive to regularly, and I haven't researched the beliefs enough yet and I feel very confused by the little bit I have learned.

Not too long ago I discovered there is an SSPX chapel that isn't as far, but I am not sure this one would be a good fit for me, and it is still quite the drive when you are broke and trying not to use too much gas. Not to mention that I need some work done on my car but don't have the money yet, so in the meantime I really prefer not to leave town in case it dies on me.

I will feel terrible not going to mass at all.

PW-

My post was directed at those groups who seek to have Tradition coincide with Modernism. It was not a judgement of those who attend their masses for any number of reasons. Circuмstances oftentimes dictate what we have to do.

Your faith is young and in need of nurturing. I would not encourage you to not go to Mass if there is a valid mass available. If you are growing in your faith at the Diocesan mass, then go there. I have sometimes had to do the same thing out of necessity. I now assist exclusively at the SSPX, but not everyone is in as fortunate a situation.

I understand the CMRI are sede's, which wouldn't keep me from going there if that was my only viable option. I, personally, am not a sede. I do not judge those who have reached that conclusion in our confusing time, however.

If circuмstances do not allow us to get to an SSPX chapel or some other "unofficial" group, I would recommend you going to the Diocesan mass if your faith is being nurtured there. I have been to many different diocesan locations where the priests are very orthodox and doing the best they can in their situation. I have reservations about diocesan masses for a lot of the same reasons that other trads do; but I just can't recommend staying home if there is a valid mass around.

Ultimately we will be judged by how much we have been conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. We will not be sent to hell because we didn't fully grasp certain theological nuances or that we didn't come to the correct conclusion regarding the occupant of Peter's Throne.

Go to mass, say your Rosary, read the Fathers, Doctors and saints of the Church and be like Christ.

Thank you for taking the time to explain your thoughts. My focus right now is on the mass itself. In time, I hope to have a better understanding of the Crisis and I will move on from there. I no longer participate in parish social activities, so I don't think I'm being negatively influenced right now. It is simply a stepping stone, because not very long ago I was completely unaware people still went to Latin mass.