Author Topic: Does the NewChurch Allow Catholics To Marry Prots ? (Read 1906 times)

MaterDominici · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2011, 09:50:38 PM »

Quote from: Charles

Quote from: Charles
I don't know what to say. I thought a Catholic who wanted to marry a prot, had to get the prot to convert before a priest would marry them.

Wow. So why won't the NO Church let a Catholic who married a prot outside the Church receive Communion unless he is granted the so called "brother and sister" arrangement deal ?

Reason I ask that, I have a second cousin who is waiting for his NO pastor to hear back from the diocese tribunal before he can receive Communion. He married a prot girl outside the Church and she won't convert. Supposedly, they are willing to live celebrate and sleep in separate rooms. They are older and have kids grown now.

I don't think it's that she has to convert, but rather that she has to agree to become married to him in the Catholic church after they receive permission for their mixed marriage. If she's unwilling to do that, the Church doesn't recognize the marriage and he'd need some sort of permission to continue living with her.

It's a small difference and, as always, I could be incorrect in my understanding.

The rules aren't surprising to me. What's surprising is that there is a N.O. priest out there actually enforcing the rules.

I know of a Trad who married a Prot. I'd imagine this wouldn't be possible in the SSPX or CMRI as there is no one to go to for the necessary permission, but she was married by the ICK.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:15:23 PM »

I believe there is a little bit of confusion going on here. Before V2 protestants were allowed to marry Catholics. There was a promise required from the prot. spouse to have the children baptised, and raised in the Church.

The problem would arise if either party was previously married. In most cases, barring evidence to the contrary, the first marriage was judged to be binding. Communion was denied to the Catholic who would be scandalizing everyone by living in sin with someone else's spouse or putting away his own spouse, and then receiving the Sacrament. Now if they were living as brother and sister, they were not committing sin in truth, but the scandal was still present.

clare · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2011, 05:26:48 AM »

From what I gather, if a Catholic married a Protestant before VII, they couldn't have a nuptial Mass. But marry they did, and yes it was valid.

There are even trad people married to non-Catholics.

It's one of those things which is forbidden.... but allowed!

TKGS · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2011, 07:07:10 AM »

Quote from: rowsofvoices9

It's true. It was also tolerated though discouraged in the pre-Vatican Church as well. Then as now the couple has to get a dispensation from the bishop. Prior to 1947 such couples would be married by the priest in the rectory rather than in Church.

This is correct. My mother, a convert to Catholicism in 1941, married my father, a Protestant, in 1944. They received a dispensation from the local bishop and were to be married in the rectory. The Jesuit priest that married them, however, was a liberal and performed the ceremony in the Church in front of the altar.

I warn my children that they can only marry a traditional Catholic, however, because there is no bishop available qualified to give a dispensation.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2011, 08:58:51 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

I warn my children that they can only marry a traditional Catholic, however, because there is no bishop available qualified to give a dispensation.

This is something that every Trad parent needs to say to their children. If a Traditional Catholic were to marry a Protestant, or even a Novus Ordite, their life would most likely be very rough afterwards.

My mother has been warning me for quite some time not to settle. I'm looking for a Traditional Catholic, or at the very least a semi-Trad. I can't marry a Novus Ordite, much less a non-Catholic. Unfortunetly, I've had no success finding a Trad girl. It isn't easy.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2011, 03:49:57 PM »

Quote from: Lighthouse

There was a promise required from the prot. spouse to have the children baptised, and raised in the Church.

The SSPX still does this.

Anna1959 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:34:54 PM »

The NO church allows Catholics to marry unbaptized Jєωs too.

I remember a friend of my sister's in the mid 1960s, who was Jєωιѕн...she had to agree to raise the kids Catholic so that the NO church would marry them.

Now they have the Catholic agree to raise the kids Catholic or something along those lines.

Its pretty much a free for all now.

aquinasnmore · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:57:52 PM »

The current requirements are pretty much a farce.

Charles · « **Reply #23 on:** October 12, 2011, 10:31:27 PM »

Thanks for the additional replies. Seems a mess and depends on specific situations.

I'm more shocked at what the pre-VII Church allowed. Not questioning it, just didn't expect it.

Pepsuber · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2011, 09:40:36 AM »

Quote from: Charles

Am I missing something ? A Guy on CA is claiming the VII Church allows it.

Yes, same as the Church before VII. The differences are that (a) the Protestant spouse must no longer promise to raise the children in the Catholic Faith (the onus is on the Catholic spouse) and that (b) the marriage can be solemnized with a Nuptial Mass (in the past such marriages usually took place in the rectory or something like that).