Author Topic: Conditional baptism (Read 2678 times)

ServantOfTheAlmighty · « **on:** October 12, 2011, 05:09:45 PM »

A priest ordained in the New Rite of Ordination used the New Rite of Baptism on me when I want an infant.

I'm not sure if I'm baptised validly.

Within the next few months, I'm going to go to an Ignation Retreat with the SSPX. Should I get conditional baptised before then?

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2011, 05:11:41 PM »

I have the same question. I would like it done as well. I was baptized in the 1980's and I have always had doubts.

s2srea · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2011, 05:21:31 PM »

You need a priest to guide you, not the internet. Got talk to your priest about such issues.

aquinasnmore · « **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2011, 05:59:20 PM »

According to the Church, as long as the correct words (I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit) and matter (water) were used, you were baptized. The only exception that I know of would be being baptized by a Mormon since they don't have a true trinitarian theology.

Even if you were baptized in a Protestant church the Catholic Church has never required that you get re-baptized.

s2srea · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:23:20 PM »

Baltimore Catechism 3

Q. 633. Who can administer Baptism?

A. A priest is the ordinary minister of baptism; but in case of necessity anyone who has the use of reason may baptize.

I think this includes schismatics and heretics believe it or not.

aquinasnmore · « **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:39:11 PM »

It does but the intent to baptize with trinitarian beliefs still has to be there. Mormon baptisms have always been rejected by even NO Catholics because they don't believe in the Trinity.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:49:09 PM »

The NO has all sorts of contradictions.

If a pagan who doesn't believe in anything can validly baptize someone in an emergency, as I believe they can, why wouldn't a Mormon be able to?

But I think a traditional priest may conditionally baptize someone who has an at-home baptism of this sort. Just to make sure. But my understanding is that, for the baptism to be valid, you just have to have matter, form and the intention to do what the Church does.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2011, 09:35:18 PM »

OK< but here's a sticky point: WHO, of the heretical and schismatic sects, really INTENDS to do what the Church does in Baptism, which is not only to remove the stain of original sin and, in the case of people above the age of reason, any actual sins, but is ALSO to make the person a MEMBER OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. Sure, the Lutherans think that Baptism makes a person a member of 'the church', whatever that means in their vague ecclesiology, but who of these people actually intends to make a person CATHOLIC by their baptism?

I think this is another case in which the language of Canon Law assumes that the person DOING the baptizing IS a Catholic, just not a priest. Even my wife, who was raised NO to the core, was taught by her parish priests and sisters that it was CATHOLIC laypeople who could baptize in an emergency; they never said anything about non-Catholics, because I am sure they didn't assume that a non-Catholic was possessed of the right intent.

I would assume that Lutherans at LEAST believe in BAPTISM of infants and that baptism is a sacrament, rather than a 'dedication' and an 'ordinance', but I am still not convinced that the wording of the rule concedes proper intent in a non-Catholic's effort to baptize.

St. John, baptizer of the repentant, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

curiouscatholic23 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2011, 09:45:16 PM »

When we say baptize with "water" what does "water" mean? Holy water specifically or just any type of H20?

Like I said I was baptized NO, but I really want to get re-baptized because I don't trust those people.

Im thinking about just having my younger brother baptize me tonight over bathtub with tap water. Is that acceptable?

s2srea · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2011, 09:50:37 PM »

Quote from: curiouscatholic23

When we say baptize with "water" what does "water" mean? Holy water specifically or just any type of H20?

Like I said I was baptized NO, but I really want to get re-baptized because I don't trust those people.

Im thinking about just having my younger brother baptize me tonight over bathtub with tap water. Is that acceptable?

Any water, not necessarily blessed holy water.

You need a priest. Really.

LordPhan · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2011, 09:54:30 PM »

CANON IV If anyone says that baptism, even that given by heretics in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, with the intention of doing what the Church does, is not true baptism: let him be anathema.

LordPhan · « **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2011, 09:56:07 PM »

Quote from: curiouscatholic23

When we say baptize with "water" what does "water" mean? Holy water specifically or just any type of H20?

Like I said I was baptized NO, but I really want to get re-baptized because I don't trust those people.

Im thinking about just having my younger brother baptize me tonight over bathtub with tap water. Is that acceptable?

Unless you are dying you will be sinning gravely.

s2srea · « **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2011, 09:57:55 PM »

Edit- Doh! I just exercised. My brain is working slowly! lol

s2srea · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2011, 09:59:55 PM »

Quote from: curiouscatholic23

Im thinking about just having my younger brother baptize me tonight over bathtub with tap water. Is that acceptable?

Did you say you want to start your own website to proselytize?

LordPhan · « **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2011, 10:05:09 PM »

CANON IX.-If anyone says that in three sacrements, namely, baptism, confirmation, and holy orders, a character is not imprinted on the soul- that is, a kind of indelible spiritual sign whereby these sacraments cannot be repeated: let him be anathema.

Note, in a conditional baptism, holy orders or confirmation they explitly state that if the person already has the sacrament that they are doing nothing, and only if the person is not in possesion of same then they ARE putting the mark on them.

Talk to your Priest, if you have a valid reason for doubting your baptism they will conditionally baptise you. Any Priest can do so. Holy Orders and Confirmation need a Bishop.