Author Topic: Conciliar BS or am I missing something? (Read 628 times)

AnonymousCatholic · « **on:** September 11, 2016, 08:40:26 PM »

CCC 839

"The relationship of the Church with the Jєωιѕн People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jєωιѕн People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jєωιѕн faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jєωs "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329"

So can someone here explain this or is this a conciliar cancer?

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** September 11, 2016, 08:58:40 PM »

Quote from: AnonymousCatholic

CCC 839

"The relationship of the Church with the Jєωιѕн People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jєωιѕн People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jєωιѕн faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jєωs "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329"

So can someone here explain this or is this a conciliar cancer?

It's all Conciliar BS.

Sure, among all the non-Catholics in the world the Jєωs are "special" because they will be converted in the End Times, etc. God has a "soft spot" for them, so to speak. He won't allow them to be utterly annihilated, because He ultimately has plans for them.

But practically speaking, they are in the same boat as every other heretic, schismatic or unbeliever: convert to the One True (Catholic) Faith, or go to Hell forever.

And their Old Covenant won't save a single one of them from eternal Hell. So talking about the Old Covenant is merely academic.

Matto · « **Reply #2 on:** September 11, 2016, 09:01:47 PM »

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But practically speaking, they are in the same boat as every other heretic, schismatic or unbeliever: convert to the One True (Catholic) Faith, or go to Hell forever.

I thought that the Jєωs were not exactly in the same boat as other nonbelievers because they are cursed with spiritual blindness because of the Deicide and because of this do not often convert.

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #3 on:** September 11, 2016, 10:04:51 PM »

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Jєωs are "special" because they will be converted in the End Times, etc.

I know that this is the thinking of it but if they killed him once to defend their power why wouldn't they do it again?

Cantarella · « **Reply #4 on:** September 11, 2016, 11:09:47 PM »

This is a novelty not found in any other previous catechism or teaching of the Church. As a matter of fact, it used to be quite the opposite. Over the centuries, the Church had never changed her firm, wise stance on the Jєωιѕн question (until Vatican II Council). Historically, The Church rebuked the unconverted Jєωs for the crime of Deicide, exhorted them to repent, and isolated them in order to prevent them from perverting Catholics. We all know now what happens when the Church hierarchy forgets this mission. We are witnessing the terrible consequences of the Church's complete failure from doing what She is supposed to in this regard.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2016, 12:04:12 AM »

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And their Old Covenant won't save a single one of them from eternal Hell. So talking about the Old Covenant is merely academic.

The man you consider to be Pope says otherwise:

"We hold the Jєωιѕн people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked." -- Evangelii Gaudium

So, is that part of the "ordinary magisterium," to be believed by the Faithful, or isn't it?