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Offline Caminus

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CONCERNING A SEDEVACANTIST THESIS
« on: September 21, 2009, 02:01:56 AM »
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    « Reply #1 on: September 21, 2009, 02:08:16 AM »
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  • Oh yeah, the more threads you start, the less likely you'll be called to account in any given one, is that it?  The less likely you'll be spotted avoiding answering any questions directly.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 21, 2009, 06:18:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catholic Martyr
    Oh yeah, the more threads you start, the less likely you'll be called to account in any given one, is that it?  The less likely you'll be spotted avoiding answering any questions directly.


    Typically, any change in point or topic would justify a new thread, to keep conversation centred on the topic at hand.

    Are you upset about something?


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    « Reply #3 on: September 21, 2009, 11:47:38 PM »
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    Are you upset about something?


    Heresy, schism, apostasy, and the sins I have committed in my life (all repented, however).

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    « Reply #4 on: September 22, 2009, 12:07:22 PM »
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  • It's not wise to dwell on that.


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    CONCERNING A SEDEVACANTIST THESIS
    « Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 12:14:47 PM »
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    Quote from: Catholic Martyr
    Oh yeah, the more threads you start, the less likely you'll be called to account in any given one, is that it?  The less likely you'll be spotted avoiding answering any questions directly.


    Typically, any change in point or topic would justify a new thread, to keep conversation centred on the topic at hand.

    Are you upset about something?

    For the sake of understanding, were you raised Catholic?  Do your parents and grandparents consider themselves "Roman Catholics"?

    Were you ever taught the Baltimore Chatechism in school?

    Thanks.  I really am trying to understand, CM.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 22, 2009, 12:23:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catholic Martyr
    Quote from: C.M.M.M
    Are you upset about something?


    Heresy, schism, apostasy, and the sins I have committed in my life (all repented, however).


    To whom and how did you repent?? Also, where and how do you receive the sacrements needed t oovercome and resist sin?
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 12:57:20 PM »
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  • Baltimore Catechism?  No.

    I was raised Novus Ordo.  I learned from the so-called "Catechism of the Catholic Church", of John Paul II.  I was completely mixed up.

    Despite that, I felt a desire to become a priest, especially since every N.O. parish I went to was so irreverant, and I wanted to be an instrument of change for the honour of God.

    I discovered EENS at the Dimonds website, and only there did I learn about sede vacante, and was convinced of the absolute necessity of water baptism and the complete submission of intellect and will, the assent of faith, one must give to the ex cathedra decrees.

    Then I started looking for a place to become a Trad priest, met Sanborn, talked on the phone with him quite a bit, and gradually stopped believing in baptism of desire.  He even offered to let me come down to "Most Holy Trinity Seminary in Florida for free, as long as I would work it off.

    I spent a good amount of time and energy in prayer at this point, fearing to do anything that would be contrary to God's will, and what happened was that despite my sincere desire to be a priest, I understood that baptism of desire IS heresy.

    I discussed it with Sanborn, and I found that the only arguments he could bring to bear in support of BoD were easily refuted.

    I followed the Dimonds again for a while, then I found R.I., who is seemingly insane (but I didn't realize it at the time) and felt like I was just about ready to despair after seeing his site for only a couple days!

    Then a couple days after that, I found my friend's site (which is down at the moment), and read this on it:

    Quote from: Franco's website
    Our Approach Is the Catholic Approach

     

     

    Please understand that this website is not about us. It has nothing to do with what we have "figured out." This website is all about presenting the Catholic Faith, as handed down to us from the Apostles. This website is a testament to the mercy of God, because we certainly recognize that we are just fallible, sinful people. It is a testament to the mercy of God, because He has allowed sinful people such as ourselves to find the Truth in a world so enveloped in darkness.

     

    We do not claim to hold any ecclesiastical authority. We hold no position in the Church, other than membership through our baptisms. By our postings on this website, we only hope to profess and teach the Catholic Faith, whole and inviolate. If we can be shown where Holy Mother Church teaches different from what we have presented here, we will immediately correct the information and publicly admit to our error.

     

    We have posted cases against the Dimond brothers and Richard Ibryani after researching and then discussing these matters with them. They were unable to sufficiently address our objections, which are grounded in Church teaching. If you are Catholic, pray for their conversions and, just as important, warn others of their heresies and schisms. Sadly, the Dimond brother and Richard Ibranyi are leading vast numbers of souls to hell, and the errors of their teachings must be exposed.

     

    We are committed to following the teachings of the Church, even if that means we are the last Catholics left on Earth. Although we pray and hope for the conversion of the world, we find little comfort in numbers. Jesus Christ, Himself, said, "When the Son of Man returns, will He, think ye, find Faith on Earth." It is by unanimous consent of the Church Fathers that few will be saved. We also recognize that each of us will stand alone on Judgment Day before the Almighty God and that the safety in numbers that some may have felt while on Earth, will be of no comfort when we are asked to make an accounting of our lives. Only the Catholic Faith, and not a consensus of persons, can provide us with any hope for salvation.

     

    Our approach to finding God's Truth is none other than the Catholic approach that all the Faithful should following. First, we adhere to all the teachings of the Solemn Magisterium. Second, we adhere to all the teachings of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium. Third, we consent to the teachings of the Ordinary Magisterium, understanding that these teachings, while reliable, are not guaranteed by God the Holy Ghost to be free of error. Fourth, we following the example and teachings of our great Church Fathers, Doctors, and Saints, realizing too that while these great men and women led extraordinary lives, they are not protected by infallibility either.

     

    In short, we realize that there is One Who Is, and that there are many who are not. We are part of the many who are not. Therefore, our approach is not of our own creation. It is of God's, as divinely revealed through His Church and 2000 years of Catholic Tradition.

     

     

    Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: "Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic Faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity."


    He and I hold all the same positions, along with a few other families that we know.

    We recognize that without the sacrament of baptism, one cannot enter the Church, as it is written.  We also recognize that sacraments are not the only way by which a soul receives grace, but a good will serving God in the true faith and entreating His grace will receive it.

    I can tell you with certainty that it is possible to avoid sin without the sacraments.  I used to commit all kinds of sins that I knew to be mortal when I thought I was receiving the sacraments, and now I have been free from those sins ever since I have taken up the position I now hold.

    As Trent teaches, perfect contrition absolves of sin.  This is why daily examinations of conscience should be made.

    Also, one can confess to the saints in heaven, if he or she cannot see a priest in the flesh.  Whether God counts this as a valid sacramental confession or not, I do not know, but I wouldn't be surprised if He does in certain cases of necessity.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 01:00:36 PM »
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    We also recognize that sacraments are not the only way by which a soul receives grace, but a good will serving God in the true faith and entreating His grace will receive it.


    A soul cannot receive sanctifying grace that has not been baptized, however.  The grace I speak of above is the grace needed to avoid sin.  This grace is available to Catholics by following the words St. Paul spoke:  "Pray without ceasing."


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    « Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 02:03:29 PM »
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  • Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 02:18:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    This showed me right away the literal-mindedness of the Feeneyites and the way they twist everything around to fit their arguments.


    There are some things we are to understand literally.  Jesus Christ was literally one person with two natures.  His body and soul literally separated from each other at his literal death.  These are infallibly defined as such, and thus there is no room for 'bargaining'.

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    I said something like, "Forgive me, why are you so obsessed with this baptism of desire issue?" she totally changed personality and screeched "BECAUSE IT'S A HERESY!"  She has been trained well by her masters.


    She's right.  It's one thing to parrot back an answer like that, but it's entirely another to be able to explain the foundation of the position.  The infallible decrees leaven no room for bargaining.  If (as Pope Leo XIII states in Providentissimus Deus) Holy Scripture is to be held according to it's obvious and literal sense in all cases where it is possible to do so, then how much more the infallible Magisterium?  Seriously, answer me this question.

    I hope you don't think I still follow the Dimonds.  You must have seen by now that I have an article against several of their positions, not to mention what Franco has written in the excerpt above:

    Quote from: Franco's website
    We have posted cases against the Dimond brothers and Richard Ibryani after researching and then discussing these matters with them. They were unable to sufficiently address our objections, which are grounded in Church teaching. If you are Catholic, pray for their conversions and, just as important, warn others of their heresies and schisms. Sadly, the Dimond brother and Richard Ibranyi are leading vast numbers of souls to hell, and the errors of their teachings must be exposed.


    It just so happens that they are right about baptism of desire.