Author Topic: Communion in the Hand is a Great Wound in the Church (Read 2188 times)

Augstine Baker · « **on:** May 31, 2012, 01:54:56 PM »

A reform of the Church is advanced by an end to Communion in the hand and supper tables. Proceedings and Old Liberal committees will play a completely subordinate role.

(kreuz.net) "The more committees, the more proceedings, the more fear of public opinion and the politically correct, the less there will be real reforms in the Church."

This is what Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider from Astana in Kazakhstan said on Pentecost Sunday at the Swabian pilgrimage Maria Vesperbild.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/05/communion-in-hand-is-great-wound-in.html

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:03:54 PM »

Of course communion in the hand is a grave offense... and a liturgical abuss.

But it's just one of many and it's a "distraction" from the much larger issue.

It's time for Vatican II to be declared null and void. After that, we can start restoring the Holy Church.

We can't just get all worked up over communion in the hand but allow Vatican II to stay where it is.

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:11:59 PM »

Quote from: Augstine Baker

A reform of the Church is advanced by an end to Communion in the hand and supper tables. Proceedings and Old Liberal committees will play a completely subordinate role.

(kreuz.net) "The more committees, the more proceedings, the more fear of public opinion and the politically correct, the less there will be real reforms in the Church."

This is what Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider from Astana in Kazakhstan said on Pentecost Sunday at the Swabian pilgrimage Maria Vesperbild.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/05/communion-in-hand-is-great-wound-in.html

I think that Communion in the Hand points to the Doubtful Validity of the Novus Ordo Missae. We need look no further than Sacred Scripture to see what happened to those who dared even touch the Ark of the Covenant.

GOD Struck them dead instantly.

Are we then to assume that the "Real Presense" of the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ can be defiled by filthy unconsecrated hands?

Its a good thing that the Mass is invalid or we would have a lot of dead bodies IMO.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2012, 02:43:47 PM »

I do think retiring "CITH" and restoring altars to novus ordo churches would be an improvement.

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2012, 03:32:55 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

I do think retiring "CITH" and restoring altars to novus ordo churches would be an improvement.

Agreed , especially in the older ornate Churches

TraditionalistThomas · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2012, 05:38:57 AM »

Quote from: Malleus 01

Quote from: Augstine Baker
A reform of the Church is advanced by an end to Communion in the hand and supper tables. Proceedings and Old Liberal committees will play a completely subordinate role.

(kreuz.net) "The more committees, the more proceedings, the more fear of public opinion and the politically correct, the less there will be real reforms in the Church."

This is what Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider from Astana in Kazakhstan said on Pentecost Sunday at the Swabian pilgrimage Maria Vesperbild.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/05/communion-in-hand-is-great-wound-in.html

I think that Communion in the Hand points to the Doubtful Validity of the Novus Ordo Missae. We need look no further than Sacred Scripture to see what happened to those who dared even touch the Ark of the Covenant.

GOD Struck them dead instantly.

Are we then to assume that the "Real Presense" of the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ can be defiled by filthy unconsecrated hands?

Its a good thing that the Mass is invalid or we would have a lot of dead bodies IMO.

Communion in the hand is not objectively sacrilegious or sinful because it was done in the early Church.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #6 on:** June 01, 2012, 12:09:27 PM »

Quote from: TraditionalistThomas

Quote from: Malleus 01
Quote from: Augstine Baker
A reform of the Church is advanced by an end to Communion in the hand and supper tables. Proceedings and Old Liberal committees will play a completely subordinate role.

(kreuz.net) "The more committees, the more proceedings, the more fear of public opinion and the politically correct, the less there will be real reforms in the Church."

This is what Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider from Astana in Kazakhstan said on Pentecost Sunday at the Swabian pilgrimage Maria Vesperbild.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/05/communion-in-hand-is-great-wound-in.html

I think that Communion in the Hand points to the Doubtful Validity of the Novus Ordo Missae. We need look no further than Sacred Scripture to see what happened to those who dared even touch the Ark of the Covenant.

GOD Struck them dead instantly.

Are we then to assume that the "Real Presense" of the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ can be defiled by filthy unconsecrated hands?

Its a good thing that the Mass is invalid or we would have a lot of dead bodies IMO.

Communion in the hand is not objectively sacrilegious or sinful because it was done in the early Church.

Then who instituted the change from CITH to communion on the tongue?

And why did it take the conciliarists so long after Vatican II to "restore this great tradition"?

And why did Paul VI do trial runs in small select areas?

CITH, and standing, and served by a layperson, intrinsically gives the impression that we are not engaging in anything overtly sacred. Sure, the conciliarists reason, if someone feels a psychological need to think of communion as sacred, well, let them.

Pope Pius XII declared your position to be the Heresy of Archeologism.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #7 on:** June 01, 2012, 12:43:12 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Pope Pius XII declared your position to be the Heresy of Archeologism.

I think he actually said it was an "error of archeologism" and not a heresy.

I apologize if my post came across as lacking charity.

CITH is designed to downplay the "divinity of Christ" as the music director of that Australian church with the amazingly ugly crucifix so aptly put it. She let the cat out of the bag.

It's really part of a long list of evidenciary items showing that Paul VI and the conciliarists wanted to drastically transform the Catholic Church into something entirely different.

And it's not merely nothing at all to state that no one's faith in strengthened by CITH. CITH downplays Christ's divinity because of the casual manner in which the host is handed out. (The Blessed Sacrament should not be treated like a poker chip.)

If someone wants to say that their faith is strong enough to withstand CITH, then I would also have to wonder if that person is merely engaging in expressing their vanity.

TraditionalistThomas · « **Reply #8 on:** June 01, 2012, 11:12:24 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Quote from: TraditionalistThomas
Quote from: Malleus 01
Quote from: Augstine Baker
A reform of the Church is advanced by an end to Communion in the hand and supper tables. Proceedings and Old Liberal committees will play a completely subordinate role.

(kreuz.net) "The more committees, the more proceedings, the more fear of public opinion and the politically correct, the less there will be real reforms in the Church."

This is what Auxiliary Bishop Athanasius Schneider from Astana in Kazakhstan said on Pentecost Sunday at the Swabian pilgrimage Maria Vesperbild.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/05/communion-in-hand-is-great-wound-in.html

I think that Communion in the Hand points to the Doubtful Validity of the Novus Ordo Missae. We need look no further than Sacred Scripture to see what happened to those who dared even touch the Ark of the Covenant.

GOD Struck them dead instantly.

Are we then to assume that the "Real Presense" of the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ can be defiled by filthy unconsecrated hands?

Its a good thing that the Mass is invalid or we would have a lot of dead bodies IMO.

Communion in the hand is not objectively sacrilegious or sinful because it was done in the early Church.

Then who instituted the change from CITH to communion on the tongue?

And why did it take the conciliarists so long after Vatican II to "restore this great tradition"?

And why did Paul VI do trial runs in small select areas?

CITH, and standing, and served by a layperson, intrinsically gives the impression that we are not engaging in anything overtly sacred. Sure, the conciliarists reason, if someone feels a psychological need to think of communion as sacred, well, let them.

Pope Pius XII declared your position to be the Heresy of Archeologism.

Gee, quick to judge are you? What exactly did I say which was erroneous? I stated that communion in the hand cannot be considered objectively sacrilegious or sinful because it was done in the Early Church - not to mention the various Eastern Rites today. I never said, however, that it was better. My supposed "heresies" are nothing but your own assumptions.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #9 on:** June 01, 2012, 11:18:49 PM »

Quote from: TraditionalistThomas

Gee, quick to judge are you? What exactly did I say which was erroneous? I stated that communion in the hand cannot be considered objectively sacrilegious or sinful because it was done in the Early Church - not to mention the various Eastern Rites today. I never said, however, that it was better. My supposed "heresies" are nothing but your own assumptions.

You did see where I downgraded it from heresy to error?

TraditionalistThomas · « **Reply #10 on:** June 02, 2012, 02:56:38 AM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Quote from: TraditionalistThomas

Gee, quick to judge are you? What exactly did I say which was erroneous? I stated that communion in the hand cannot be considered objectively sacrilegious or sinful because it was done in the Early Church - not to mention the various Eastern Rites today. I never said, however, that it was better. My supposed "heresies" are nothing but your own assumptions.

You did see where I downgraded it from heresy to error?

No, I completely missed that. My apologies.

Sunbeam · « **Reply #11 on:** June 02, 2012, 11:59:14 AM »

TraditionalistThomas said:

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I stated that communion in the hand cannot be considered objectively sacrilegious or sinful because it was done in the Early Church - not to mention the various Eastern Rites today.

In the Eastern Rites, Holy Communion is certainly NOT given in the hand.

The practice I have witnessed is the giving of Holy Communion by spoon from the chalice into the mouth. I understand that much the same practice is observed in all Eastern rites.

A quite separate practice I have witnessed is the distribution of the antidoron, AFTER the Divine Liturgy has ended. The antidoron is surplus bread that has been blessed, but has not been consecrated for the Eucharist. It is this which IS placed into the hand. It is a common amongst enthusiasts of CITH, to erroneously cite this custom as evidence for their views.

As to the historical aspects, I recommend that TT does some research. This article would be a good starting point:

Some considerations on Communion in the Hand

Sunbeam · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2012, 04:14:07 PM »

To supplement my earlier post on the subject, I recommend:
"Communion in the Hand and Similar Frauds" by Michael Davies (RIP).

The text can be found here:
Communion in the Hand and Similar Frauds

MyrnaM · « **Reply #13 on:** June 02, 2012, 04:21:55 PM »

It is my understanding that yes, it was done in the early Church, but when it was noted that particles were falling to the floor, they changed the practice.

So now in the novus ordo, they just don't care; good thing it is only bread. Otherwise they might be struck dead as was noted here.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #14 on:** June 03, 2012, 07:42:18 AM »

Communion in the hand is an abomination, period.

If they really, truly thought this was Our Lord, there is no way they would let ladies pass it out to people standing up and taking it in their un-consecrated hands.

This is how satanists get their hosts, it's how ladies in pantsuits get to play priest, it's standing up for the devil instead of kneeling before God.

It is such a grave insult. They only have to fast an hour before receiving. They can blow off Holy Days of obligation, they take it in their unworthy impious hands on Saturday evenings at 5:00 standing and pretend it's Sunday. They can combine the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary with a Saturday afternoon wearing shorts and sandals, and think it's Catholic.

Communion in the hand is masonic to the core. It's all about worshipping man. :heretic: The old hippies always talk about ancient practices when they are trying to hoodwink ignorant souls into allowing married priests and other horrors into the Spotless Bride of Christ.

How do you think satanists get ahold of consecrated hosts? A priest told me they were going for $500 apiece a few years ago in the diocese. I've seen a woman running off with one at St. Matthew's Cathedral in DC before. Nobody could catch her and she got away.

We have all heard the stories of bags of Hosts being thrown in the trash at World Youth Days and so forth. It's an abomination, even if they were not validly consecrated.