Is it lawful to receive or attend services in Greek Schismatic Rites and so forth, if there is no true Catholic or true Eastern Church in Communion with Catholicism?
Bergy thinks so...
And how dare you refer to his holiness in that way! Maybe it is you who are a schismatic!
Yeah I would have to agree with him, just call him apostate. I know in my sedeplenist days I never liked how certain sedevacantist would invent nicknames (Novus Ordo Watch is famous for this) like Ratzo, Bergy, Frank the Humble, Benny the Rat, Bernie (+fellay), Bergo etc... None of these things will ever help those on the outside to see the apostasy of those anti-Popes. Even the heresiarch Luther we never changed his name call him all the proper titles apostate, heretic, schismatic, adulterer, polygamist, fideist whatsoever truly applies (prove your claim) anything over and above that is excessive especially when you start attacking their person in some unsubstantiated claims (many that I know in the SSPX call the local "Bishop" a homo lover, or queer etc...). Even if they are some of the lowest scuмbags pick your sin: adultery (with women), thieves, liars, greedy, luxurious and so forth. We should still stick to the doctrine, because all the other things we have had in the history of the Church before and that has never been a real issue... Now the focus should always be on whether they are doctrinally sound or a bunch of heretics, and we should always try to keep the focus on what will damn souls, instead of just focusing on petty scandals which are everywhere in the world. Speak the truth with no bitterness or anger, but for the sake of the Lord to keep the purity of his doctrine. Let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything over and above this is evil.
United in faith and prayers.
+Pax vobis+
And?....Are they doctrinally sound? or a bunch of apostates?
Let your yes be yes and your no be no.
I have already said that they are apostates (so my yes is yes, and my no is no), but no need to call anti-pope Benedict XVI, Benny the Rat or +Fellay Bernie. Or Anti-Pope Francis Frank the humble or just Frank... It is COUNTER PRODUCTIVE, that means if you take seriously the eternal welfare of sedeplenist you would want to actually change the Modus Operandi of how you express yourself to them. Does not mean that we have to lie, but just understand that they will TOTALLY ignore you if you would do something like how I have said above. Its kind of like going to someone's house and you start calling their mother a whore, even if she is a whore, don't be surprised if someone kills you because of your lack of tactfulness!
When you talk with other people that are completely blinded by this whole issue it is ONLY counter productive to start deriding their names. Call them by their full names Jorge Bergoglio (Not Bergo), etc... Just imagine if you talk to a sedeplenist, and then all of a sudden you start cussing and start deriding their names. You know what the sedeplenist will think of you? That you are nuts, lack charity, full of pride etc... There is such a thing as giving the truth with honey (St. Francis de Sales), we have to be tact when expressing something that someone is ESPECIALLY sensitive about.
Novus Ordites are completely right, that we have to have devotion to a TRUE Pope, not a false pope. It is offensive to pious ears to even mention the sins of a true Pontiff. It is kind of like the science of Hagiography, they would omit certain details in the lives of some Saints that would not edify the readers. Reading the lives of the Saints was something that would inspire you to become a Saint, and that is how many actually became Saints! Just think of St. Ignatius of Loyola, so we know that the method of Hagiography is something that has been a tradition in the Church since the most apostolic times, think of the Roman Martyrology et al... Hope that helps...
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