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Offline curiouscatholic23

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« on: January 26, 2012, 10:23:50 PM »
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  • I recently converted to the true catholic faith, which means rejecting antipope Benedict XVI (he is an evil man who is not even remotely catholic, let alone pope), as well as rejecting BOD and NFP because they have never been taught infalliably by the church. And yes, MHFM has been a major instrument to my conversion. It is clear that BOD was a vehicle to Vatican 2. It is clear that MHFM holds to the true faith, that BOD has never been taught by the church, as evidenced by the fact that the recipients of Br. Peter Dimond's phone calls usually end up hanging up very shortly afterwards whether it is Fr. Benedict Hughes or Fr. Cekada or FSSP priests or whoever. Also, the way that BOD was taught by St. Thomas Aquinas or St. Alphonsus was completely different than the way the SSPX/CMRI/SSPV/Sanborn/Dolan teach it. The former extended it only to people desiring to be catholic, like catachumens, while the latter extend it to people in other religions like hindus, Jєωs, muslims, etc. It is also interesting to note that the vicious persecution that Fr. Feeney endured from Bnai Birth freemason award recipients like Cardinal Cushing happened in BOSTON. This I believe was the start of the Great Apostasy. Clearly the most embarassing and disgracefull scandal of the Vatican 2 sect regarding ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rape on boys from "priests" occured in BOSTON. Coincidence? I don't think so.

    However, recently I have been receiving emails from a member who used to post on here and made some outrageous posts but was banned. He/She has been constantly reminding me to buy this book "Communicatio in Sacris" by William DeTucci stating that to go to any type of heretic (declared or not) is a mortal sin and that MHFM position on receiving sacraments from undeclared heretics is totally wrong. He/She also recommended Patrick Pollock. Has anyone read this book? Who is William DeTucci or Patrick Pollock?


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    « Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 11:05:27 PM »
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    I recently converted to the true catholic faith, which means rejecting antipope Benedict XVI


    So if I don't reject Benedict XVI, does that mean I haven't converted to the true Catholic faith?


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    « Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 11:22:07 PM »
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  • With that kind of introductory paragraph, I wonder if anyone will pay attention to the actual question? :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 12:04:44 AM »
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    I recently converted to the true catholic faith, which means rejecting antipope Benedict XVI


    So if I don't reject Benedict XVI, does that mean I haven't converted to the true Catholic faith?


    For you yes, because you have seen the evidence and you are culpable.

    After viewing and reading all of his apostasies, heresies, and abominations (like Assisi 3, entering a mosque, taking active participation in a Jєωιѕн service where he visibly claps his hands) do you still regard Benedict XVI as a catholic? If yes, I think you are either sick in the head or a liar. If no, how is it possible that a non-catholic is pope?

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    « Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 04:08:18 AM »
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  • I'd like some explained answers regarding all this, instead of sentimentalism and emotions like most people here do.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 10:31:27 AM »
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    I recently converted to the true catholic faith, which means rejecting antipope Benedict XVI


    So if I don't reject Benedict XVI, does that mean I haven't converted to the true Catholic faith?


    For you yes, because you have seen the evidence and you are culpable.

    After viewing and reading all of his apostasies, heresies, and abominations (like Assisi 3, entering a mosque, taking active participation in a Jєωιѕн service where he visibly claps his hands) do you still regard Benedict XVI as a catholic? If yes, I think you are either sick in the head or a liar. If no, how is it possible that a non-catholic is pope?


    Why must I make a decision and determination on the status of one who holds the papacy, in order to be Catholic? Which Catechism of the Catholic Church has ever taught this? You know it is not for you or I to determine? I'm not going around holding hands and skipping with the man; I only withhold my opinion on his status and wait for a future council to do so; it is outside of my power, as it is yours. You are too caught up in this my friend, and I fear these authors and laymen you follow may lead to your damnation.

    You do  know it is heresy to say that one must believe something (in this case that one must believe that the pope is not the pope) which the church has never demanded anyone to believe, right? And, unfortunately for your, this is what you are doing. I advise you stop reading all of this nonsense, and seek the guidance of a priest, regardless of what laymen (to include Mike and Pete Dimond) have told you.

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    I'd like some explained answers regarding all this, instead of sentimentalism and emotions like most people here do.


    Explained answers to what?

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    « Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 11:27:00 PM »
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  • curiouscatholic23,

    Instead of subscribing to the novelties of pseudo-theologians, why don't you just focus on the interior life: prayer, meditation, interior and exterior mortification, avoiding occasions of sin, etc.?

    Do you wish to know which tome I would recommend and insist for you to acquire?

    The Imitation of Christ: the book every Catholic should read, after the Missal and Sacred Scripture. It is the eminent summary of all that the Saints and spiritual authors have written, and of everything we need to know and practice.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 28, 2012, 04:07:22 PM »
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    as well as rejecting BOD and NFP because they have never been taught infalliably by the church.


    First of all, I saw your post about BOD in that thread you started in the Library section the other day (I didn't reply because discussion is not allowed in that sub-forum). You do not have the definition of "Baptism of Desire" correct, nor do you seem to understand what "BODers" believe. You seem to have the Traditional view of BOD and salvation mixed up with the Vatican II church's view on salvation. Here is the difference:

    Vatican II- believes there is salvation in all religions, and sometimes even goes as far as to say that all men are saved

    Non-Feeneyite Traditional Catholics- believe that if a person who was a non-Catholic died desiring to be Catholic but was unable to be baptized, they still died a member of the Church.

    Vatican II's belief is heretical, where-as there is nothing heretical about BOD, unless you stretch it beyond its boundaries by saying that non-Catholics can be saved.

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    For you yes, because you have seen the evidence and you are culpable.

    After viewing and reading all of his apostasies, heresies, and abominations (like Assisi 3, entering a mosque, taking active participation in a Jєωιѕн service where he visibly claps his hands) do you still regard Benedict XVI as a catholic? If yes, I think you are either sick in the head or a liar. If no, how is it possible that a non-catholic is pope?


    You're a bit out of line here. Sedevacantism is not a requirement for one to be Catholic. Furthermore, you have no room to say that s2srea is "sick in the head or a liar". You appear to be judging his thoughts and motives.

    And which banned member has been sending you emails? I can't really provide commentary on that until I know what member is emailing you.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 28, 2012, 10:58:02 PM »
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    as well as rejecting BOD and NFP because they have never been taught infalliably by the church.


    First of all, I saw your post about BOD in that thread you started in the Library section the other day (I didn't reply because discussion is not allowed in that sub-forum). You do not have the definition of "Baptism of Desire" correct, nor do you seem to understand what "BODers" believe. You seem to have the Traditional view of BOD and salvation mixed up with the Vatican II church's view on salvation. Here is the difference:

    Vatican II- believes there is salvation in all religions, and sometimes even goes as far as to say that all men are saved

    Non-Feeneyite Traditional Catholics- believe that if a person who was a non-Catholic died desiring to be Catholic but was unable to be baptized, they still died a member of the Church.

    Completely wrong. SSPX, CMRI, Sanborn, etc. all believe souls can be saved IN OTHER RELIGIONS BUT NOT BY THIS RELIGION. I have specifically showed you SS, numerous quotes from Archbishop Lefebvre making this clear. He names them. He names muslims, buddhists, protestants, ETC! Be honest. If you truly believe that BOD means desiring to be catholic, then you need to condemn all the groups mentioned above because they clearly believe in invincible ignorance, or the notion that "we can't judge." Be honest please. This is like the second or third time I have informed you the truth that the BOD that SS believes is totally different that the BOD being taught by the SSPX, FSSP, CMRI, Sanborn, etc.
    Vatican II's belief is heretical, where-as there is nothing heretical about BOD, unless you stretch it beyond its boundaries by saying that non-Catholics can be saved.

    Actually, thats exactly what SSPX, FSSP, CMRI, Sanborn, etc. all preach. That not catholics CAN be saved "in their religion but not because of it." If you are going to hold this idea that BOD means only those DESIRING to be catholic, then you need to condemn those groups. You also contradict yourself by saying that a non baptized person is a member, even though they died not as a member. Makes no sense. You only become a member by water baptism. PERIOD. THIS IS WHY I POSTED THE MHFM POSITION IN THE LIBRARY SECTION. READ IT.
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    For you yes, because you have seen the evidence and you are culpable.

    After viewing and reading all of his apostasies, heresies, and abominations (like Assisi 3, entering a mosque, taking active participation in a Jєωιѕн service where he visibly claps his hands) do you still regard Benedict XVI as a catholic? If yes, I think you are either sick in the head or a liar. If no, how is it possible that a non-catholic is pope?


    You're a bit out of line here. Sedevacantism is not a requirement for one to be Catholic. Furthermore, you have no room to say that s2srea is "sick in the head or a liar". You appear to be judging his thoughts and motives.

    And which banned member has been sending you emails? I can't really provide commentary on that until I know what member is emailing you.


    Do you still regard someone like Nancy Peℓσѕι, Joe Biden, John Kerry, and other pro abort politicans as catholics? I doubt it. You know why? Because in being pro abort they are publically manifesting themselves as heretics and are cut off from the church ipso facto. This same principle applies to all the Vatican 2 antipopes. I don't understand what is so hard to understand that. Some might say, yes Benedict XVI is a catholic, but he is not my type of catholic. That doesn't make sense. There are not two different types of catholic faith, either you are catholic or you are not. Benedict XVI, by his heresy, schism, and apostasy (Pius XII used this language) is cut off from the church. "The guy is no more catholic than the dali lama"- Br. Peter Dimond (MHFM) I personally like that quote lol.I'll send you a pm spirtus.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 29, 2012, 12:40:11 AM »
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    curiouscatholic23, do you think that all variations on BOD need to be rejected if V2 is also to be rejected?


    Well both BOD and V2 need to be rejected. BOD as it was taught prior to Vatican 2, the way that the SSPX, CMRI, SSPV, Sanborn, etc. teach it is a vehicle which brought about V2. Thats why I posted the book from MHFM in the library section. I would recommend going to the section posted by Br. Peter Dimond towards the end titled "The Heretics testify." It basically shows how a lot of american catholics as early as 1945 and probably even earlier, started believing their protestant neighbors could be saved. Fr. Feeney recognized this problem, and also realized BOD was the vehicle for this growing religious indifferentism, that would eventually manifest itself at Vatican 2 under an antipope, John XXIII.

    According to MHFM, and I have no reason to doubt them, Fr. Feeney before he was "excommunicated" wrote to all the bishops in the world and only received 3 positive responses. That just shows how things were already out of control even in the late 40's early 50's.

    It should also be noted that originally Fr. Feeney was being written up by Bnai Birth (brittish freemason) award recipeint Cardinal Cushing not for preaching the necessity of water baptism, but for preaching the dogma "Outside The Church There is No Salvation." The issue of water baptism didn't come until later.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 12:45:58 AM »
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    Sedevacantism is not a requirement for one to be Catholic.


    Can one be a Catholic if they accept B16 as the pope?

    Also, can one remain a Catholic if they realise that B16 does not profess the Catholic faith?


    Its possible for someone in the novus ordo or the SSPX to mistakenly recognize B16, but once they see the evidence that a heretic/apostate cannot be pope since he is not a catholic by being excommunicated by divine law ipso facto, and then they see the evidence that Ratzinger is in fact a raging demonic heretic/apostate, I don't see how that person is a catholic.

    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/BenedictXVI_mainpage.php



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    « Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 08:20:25 AM »
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    Sedevacantism is not a requirement for one to be Catholic.


    Can one be a Catholic if they accept B16 as the pope?

    Also, can one remain a Catholic if they realise that B16 does not profess the Catholic faith?


    Its possible for someone in the novus ordo or the SSPX to mistakenly recognize B16, but once they see the evidence that a heretic/apostate cannot be pope since he is not a catholic by being excommunicated by divine law ipso facto, and then they see the evidence that Ratzinger is in fact a raging demonic heretic/apostate, I don't see how that person is a catholic.

    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/BenedictXVI_mainpage.php


    OOOOOhhhhhh NOW I GET IT!


    You know, us simpletons, who actually have high school diplomas (unlike Mike and Pete Dimond) are so nieve, that we need laymen, dressed up as monks and acting like a bunch of heretic wand waving fairies to tell us like it is.

    NOT

    Hey, if you're going to take advice from anyone CuriousCatholic, especially a laymen, take it form someone who has proven his holiness, and isn't dependent upon people for monetary contributions. If you like high school dropouts, he fits your standard; though I warn you, he went back and finished and graduated from UCLA (not that means anything to you). Do you think you could follow this advice, and go to hell?:


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    curiouscatholic23,

    Instead of subscribing to the novelties of pseudo-theologians, why don't you just focus on the interior life: prayer, meditation, interior and exterior mortification, avoiding occasions of sin, etc.?

    Do you wish to know which tome I would recommend and insist for you to acquire?

    The Imitation of Christ: the book every Catholic should read, after the Missal and Sacred Scripture. It is the eminent summary of all that the Saints and spiritual authors have written, and of everything we need to know and practice.



    I tell you what, you can be damn sure you WON'T find advice like this on Mike and Pete's website. That should be a hint :wink:

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    « Reply #13 on: January 29, 2012, 01:05:51 PM »
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  • curiouscatholic, what does the SSPX or any other BOD believing group have to do with what I said? This is about the typical position of a BODer, not what a group believes. And are you saying that a person who sincerely converts on his deathbed yet dies before he is unable to be baptized goes to hell?

    Peℓσѕι, Biden, Kerry, and all them aren't Catholic, no. You can't be Catholic and support abortion, liberalism, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, etc.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 29, 2012, 03:37:08 PM »
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    Sedevacantism is not a requirement for one to be Catholic.


    Can one be a Catholic if they accept B16 as the pope?

    Also, can one remain a Catholic if they realise that B16 does not profess the Catholic faith?


    Yes to both questions.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.