Author Topic: The Real Third Secret of Fatima (Read 1460 times)

Plenus Venter · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2023, 06:49:33 AM »

Quote from: cassini on September 15, 2023, 04:23:59 AM

"...despite the great merits of the Council many sad things have also taken place. Not because of the Council but in conjunction with the Council..." Around the 4:55 mark. Hmmm....

Overlooking such things, good post, thanks cassini!

He mentions Cardinal Oddi. It reminded me of this excellent letter to F&B from Fr Schmidberger where he cites Cardinal Oddi on the Third Secret. Ah, the good old days of the SSPX when their speech was "si si no no":

SUPERIOR GENERAL’S LETTER TO FRIENDS AND BENEFACTORS
28^th February 1992 – Feast of St. Gabriel of Our Lady of Sorrows

Dear Friends and Benefactors,

To keep you abreast of our contacts with the authorities in Rome and to make our position clearly known, we would like to put before you the letter we wrote to His eminence Cardinal Oddi in January, a letter which so far received no reply.

Your Eminence,

Following the visit that you deigned to make to the Seminary of the Society of St. Pius X at Econe on 18th September last – a visit which touched us very much, for we saw in it a sign of your interest in our modest work and true encouragement – you expressed to me on 7th October, 1991, in Rome, the desire that, as Superior General of the Society, I write you a letter to prepare for an eventual normalization of relationships between the Society and the Roman authorities.

After reflecting at our General Council and consulting with colleagues, allow me to expose our thoughts to Your Eminence openly and frankly.

You are better aware than anyone that all the members of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X not only profess the Catholic Faith integrally and entirely, but also maintain an unfailing attachment to the Apostolic See.

As a consequence of this faithfulness to the Church, they understand themselves to be bound by the declarations of the Popes and Dogmatic Councils, and in particular by:

The encyclical “Quanta Cura” of Pope Pius IX, which condemned religious liberty, and which is contradicted by the declaration “Dignitatis Humane” of Vatican Council II
The “Syllabus” of the same Pope, which condemned the adulterous marriage between the Church and the world, which condemnation is especially well expressed in Proposition 80. Cardinal Ratzinger himself calls the decree “Gaudium et Spes” of Vatican Council II a Counter-Syllabus!
The encyclical “Pascendi Dominici Gregis” of St. Pius X, which condemns Modernism and modernists, and the Anti-modernist oath of the same Pope, which was abolished by Pope Paul VII
The encyclical “Mortalium Animos” of Pope Pius XI, which condemned the Pan-Christians and their syncretist ideology. It was this which was practiced at the meeting of Assisi, and at innumerable other meetings of the same kind, most recently at Malta, on 5th October in St. Peter’s Basilica at Rome, and on 7th December in the Basilica of St. Paul outside the Walls.
The encyclical “Quas primas” of the same Pope, which proclaimed the universal Social Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ as opposed to the secularization of the Catholic states and secularism of society. These are now propagated as an application of Vatican II by the Roman authorities.
The definition of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass by the Council of Trent. As Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci observed in the “Brief Critical Study of the Novus Ordo Missae” this new liturgy “departs in an impressive way both as a whole and in its details from the doctrine of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as it was defined at the twenty-second session of the Council of Trent.”

Since we clearly see, to our immense sorrow, that a break has taken place in the domain of doctrine, in the profession of the Faith, in the Liturgy, and in the Church authorities’ attitude towards the world with its errors and corruption, we do not see how any open and fruitful collaboration could be managed for the time being, unless we are willing to give up witnessing to the Truth in order to practice in its place a diplomacy concealing the opposition between the Church of all time and the conciliar Church. The example of the Society of St. Peter now being officially obliged by the “Ecclesia Dei” Commission to give Communion in the hand is not encouraging.

Let the Roman and Episcopal authorities once more confess the principles contained in the acts of the Magisterium mentioned above, and condemn the errors condemned by these docuмents, and then the apparent break will come to an end all on its own. When these authorities again become truly Catholic, they will be able to count on our filial devotion and our efforts to “restore all things in Christ.” Meanwhile the whole family of Tradition places its hope in Almighty God, who seems to be visibly blessing it.

Your Eminence, during a recent interview you spoke of the Third secret of Fatima, stating that it spoke of a grave crisis in the Church, following on a Council. For this crisis to cease we must absolutely reject the principles which caused it, and as quickly as possible. If not, another bastion which is everywhere under attack will soon fall: priestly celibacy.

We thank you with all our hearts for your understanding with respect to our work, and request that Our Lady of Fatima give you the grace to speak openly to the Holy Father concerning these problems, which can be ultimately summarized in these two phrases of the Prince of the Apostles: “Non est in alio aliquo salus” ( Acts IV, 12) and “Oportet illum regnare” (1 Cor.XV, 25).

Your Eminence, please accept the expression of our respect and devotion in Christo et Maria.

Father Franz Schmidberger

Angelus · « **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2023, 08:33:43 AM »

Quote from: cassini on September 15, 2023, 04:23:59 AM

The Real Third Secret is the one described in this post. And confirmed with detailed explanation in this post.

Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret;
This part is the apostasy in the Church!

Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a
Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy
Father' leading a multitude that was praising the devil,
but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze,
this one had the gaze of evil.

Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church,
after some moments, but there is no way to describe the
ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress
with broken angles and windows similar to eyes;
it had a beak in the roof of the building.

Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who
said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church.

Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority
will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be
destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's tomb
will be removed and transferred to Fatima.

This letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be
announced after Pius XII and before 1960.

If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its
abomination, the city will be destroyed.

Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.
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Yeti · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2023, 11:10:46 AM »

That's an intriguing theory, that the image of the original docuмent was photoshopped to scramble the lines of text to make a different message. I'll have to look at that some more when I have time.

This part is extremely problematic, though:

Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority
will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be
destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

Not only did this not happen, but most theologians say it would be impossible to transfer to seat of the Church from Rome to any other city. In other words, the pope must always be the bishop of the diocese of Rome.

Incidentally, this also means the city of Rome will last until the end of the world.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #4 on:** September 15, 2023, 11:20:32 AM »

Quote from: Yeti on September 15, 2023, 11:10:46 AM

That's an intriguing theory, that the image of the original docuмent was photoshopped to scramble the lines of text to make a different message. I'll have to look at that some more when I have time.

This part is extremely problematic, though:

Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority
will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be
destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

Not only did this not happen, but most theologians say it would be impossible to transfer to seat of the Church from Rome to any other city. In other words, the pope must always be the bishop of the diocese of Rome.

Incidentally, this also means the city of Rome will last until the end of the world.

Having a really hard time buying this letter, but arguendo, couldn't a Pope be a "Bishop of Rome in Exile", or could Rome remain a titular see, with the Pope actually residing in and ruling from someplace else? As to the former, we have the precedent of Avignon.

xavierpope · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2023, 01:29:30 PM »

If you listen to Malachi Martin on the art bell show on YouTube
From what I gathered.

Third secret : last pope will be controlled by satan
It's in Daniel 12 and it will frighten people
A strange brightness in the sky
Looking to the sky... for three years

But he didn't fully reveal as he was under oath

xavierpope · « **Reply #6 on:** September 15, 2023, 01:30:24 PM »

cassini · « **Reply #7 on:** September 15, 2023, 01:38:48 PM »

Quote from: xavierpope on September 15, 2023, 01:29:30 PM

If you listen to Malachi Martin on the art bell show on YouTube
From what I gathered.

Third secret : last pope will be controlled by satan
It's in Daniel 12 and it will frighten people
A strange brightness in the sky
Looking to the sky... for three years

But he didn't fully reveal as he was under oath

Based on Saint Malachi prophecy exactly 112 Popes are in the future and Pope Francis is the 112 !

Yeti · « **Reply #8 on:** September 15, 2023, 01:55:49 PM »

Okay, wait a second. That text from Guimaraes has no provenance at all. He just says an anonymous reader sent it in to him, telling him they found it in the convent in Portugal where Sr. Lucy lived. Um, sorry but that's a little ridiculous. Does he think they're just going to leave that thing lying around? Or does he think anyone who reads his blog is one of the tiny number of people who have access to that docuмent? Or that anyone who would send anything to Guimaraes would ever be allowed within 50 feet of that docuмent? None of it makes much sense.

The Third Secret is kind of like Bigfoot. A lot of people claim to have seen it but none of them have any proof.

cassini · « **Reply #9 on:** September 15, 2023, 02:09:46 PM »

It is perfectly obvious that the third secret predicted the state of the Church would be as we experience it now. By their fruits you shall know them. But Modernism did not begin with Vatican II. Modernism began in 1835 when the definitions and decrees of the 1616 and 1633 Church were bypassed in order to comply with modern 'science.'

'Christianity came to a crisis point 150 years ago when all the skeletons came out of the cupboard. German Biblical scholars were taking the Bible to bits at just the moment when the [earthmoving] scientists were casting doubt on the very idea of a Creator. Now you can still go on believing that there is a God when you have read Darwin’s Origin of Species but he [and Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Lyell, Einstein and Fr Lemaître] revealed a process which was, so to speak, self-sufficient – which did not need a god of any kind. Darwin, in fact, made more of an impact on philosophers who had already been reaching godless conclusions about life than he did on biologists.' --- A. N. Wilson, writer and historian, Daily Express, Oct. 21, 1999, ps.44, 45.

The third secret of Fatima came well after at least four popes condemned Modernism and spelled out the consequences of Modernism. No doubt the third secret confirmed what we have experienced since Vatican II.

songbird · « **Reply #10 on:** September 15, 2023, 05:07:26 PM »

Chapter 12 Daniel, the continual Precious Blood, Sacrifice will end for 3 and half years, or the word suspended is said. \\As for 112 popes. Pope Francis is not 112, he is no pope.

Shrewd Operator · « **Reply #11 on:** September 15, 2023, 08:01:22 PM »

Chapter 12 Daniel, the continual Precious Blood, Sacrifice will end for 3 and half years, or the word suspended is said. \\As for 112 popes. Pope Francis is not 112, he is no pope.

Not so fast! That prophesy lists all claimants, true and false. There's no need to worry about Francis being legitimate for that one.

Since a number of other prophesies talk about several popes that we haven't seen yet (most good and real popes) it seems quite reasonable to take the first 112 as a convenient index that ends exactly now at the brink of the crisis. It then tells us about the last one -Peter II- cutting to the chase to tell us how it all ends with the last pope because of the judgement. That keeps us from knowing exactly how the crisis will turn out and how long the sixth age will last. Besides no pope is going to choose Peter for his name unless he is convinced that he's the last, and that would likely mean that Antichrist has appeared.

Some prophesies say that the "good" pope, the "angelic" pope, will be named Urban. Some say there will also be several quicky, little popes before Urban is elected. Isn't Peter II supposed to be good? All the attacks of the Devil are supposed to be external once the 5th age ends (hence antichrist). That would mean once the good ones start, all the rest will be good. There's still too much left that has to happen for Francis or any modernist after him to be last.

cassini · « **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2023, 04:14:55 AM »

Quote from: Shrewd Operator on September 15, 2023, 08:01:22 PM

Chapter 12 Daniel, the continual Precious Blood, Sacrifice will end for 3 and half years, or the word suspended is said. \\As for 112 popes. Pope Francis is not 112, he is no pope.

Not so fast! That prophesy lists all claimants, true and false. There's no need to worry about Francis being legitimate for that one.

Since a number of other prophesies talk about several popes that we haven't seen yet (most good and real popes) it seems quite reasonable to take the first 112 as a convenient index that ends exactly now at the brink of the crisis. It then tells us about the last one -Peter II- cutting to the chase to tell us how it all ends with the last pope because of the judgement. That keeps us from knowing exactly how the crisis will turn out and how long the sixth age will last. Besides no pope is going to choose Peter for his name unless he is convinced that he's the last, and that would likely mean that Antichrist has appeared.

Some prophesies say that the "good" pope, the "angelic" pope, will be named Urban. Some say there will also be several quicky, little popes before Urban is elected. Isn't Peter II supposed to be good? All the attacks of the Devil are supposed to be external once the 5th age ends (hence antichrist). That would mean once the good ones start, all the rest will be good. There's still too much left that has to happen for Francis or any modernist after him to be last.

Now that is interesting, 'Some prophesies say that the "good" pope, the "angelic" pope, will be named Urban.' The last Pope Urban was Pope Urban VIII (1623-1644).

Pope Urban VIII [in 1632] immediately ordered all copies of [Galileo’s] book found to be seized; heterodoxy, he called it, that ‘puts the Catholic faith in danger. Modernism began after 1820 when churchmen adopted a heliocentric reading of Scripture.

songbird · « **Reply #13 on:** September 16, 2023, 03:46:11 PM »

Book" Holy Eucharist " by St. Alphonsus De Liguori page 22 "It is true it will cease on earth at the time of Antichrist: the Sacrifice of the Mass is to be suspended for twelve hundred and ninety days. Eternal sacrifice will not cease.

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