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A Certain Type of "Movement"
Part One

        Professor Ralph "Braniac" Barfmen, Phd. comes out of seclusion during Church Unity Octave Week to decipher the treacherous chess game the conciliar church has been playing with minds and souls over these last 40 plus years, specifically with the wretching decree on Ecuмenism.


    In my commentary on the below docuмent I have managed to get the services of the highly esteemed, but long forgotten Professor Ralph H. Barfmen, Phd! This is most excellent news in that Dr. Barfmen has been a recluse since April of 1969 when he finally was 100% convinced that modern Rome and Eternal Rome were no longer one and the same. He is also known and depicted as God sees each one of us - our minds in which we have the intelligence to choose. Free will is a thinking process and thus Dr. Barfmen is best portrayed as a walking, talking brain. No wonder he has often been referred to as a Brainiac. But it takes a "Braniac" to decipher the skimble-skamble bafflegab of the Ecuмaniacs.

    For those who have not read any of the works of Dr. Barfmen you will be pleased to know that he is Catholic to the core in that he is 100% orthodox and hasn’t the stomach to swallow anything that is not on the up and up. In other words, he applies what the Holy Catholic Church has always taught and regurgitates the rest.

    In fact the main reason why Dr. Barfmen has not made any public appearances in 36 years is due to the violent reactions he has when reading or listening to or making comments on anything illogical or false and that because of that ailment Dr. Barfmen has limited his Catholic reading to items dated before 1959.

    With this background now provided for those formally not familiar with Dr. Barfmen we can now understand the great service he is providing for us (he is not charging me a single red penny) in making the below docuмent more palatable with his editing expertise because when providing commentaries on absurdities he gets sick to his stomach and starts gagging and heaving uncontrollably. Dr. Barfmen has gone one day without eating in order to curb his violent reactions to strange doctrines and I thank him for all that he has willingly put himself through in order to provide sound commentary on a sickening docuмent for us.

    That wretched docuмent I speak of is none other than Unitatis Redintegratio, otherwise known as that insipid decree on Ecuмenism from the Second Vatican Council. It was just assembly and its insane decrees which sent Dr. Barfmen into uncontrollable spasms and caused him this long recovery time in which he had to sleep off the nausea. Thank God he is back today but his system, just as Heaven's, can only take so much. With that in mind and to put a proper perspective on what this Church Unity Octave Week truly mean, I am most grateful to the professor. His comments will be in blue type with Unitatis Redintegratio in maroon type for obvious reasons and in blue type and a bit larger any pre-Vatican II Church docuмents. I shall begin by feeding him this decree and let him comment as the stomach turns. Pardon the burping. Conciliar docuмents do that to a person and worse!

INTRODUCTION

The restoration of unity among all Christians is one of the principal concerns of the Second Vatican Council. Christ the Lord founded one Church and one Church only. However,

    Couldn’t they have left the alone as the Catholic Church has always done without feeling the necessity to add the qualifier to appease modern man?

many Christian communions present themselves to men as the true inheritors of Jesus Christ;

    They do? Have we heard this anywhere else before?

all

    This word would later be used in the "consecration" formula. Which "all" are they speaking of? All Christian communions? All men?

indeed profess to be followers of the Lord but differ in mind and go their different ways, as if Christ Himself were divided.(1) Such division openly contradicts the will of Christ, scandalizes the world, and damages the holy cause of preaching the Gospel to every creature. But the Lord of Ages wisely and patiently follows out the plan of grace on our behalf, sinners that we are. In recent times more than ever before, He has been rousing divided Christians to remorse over their divisions and to a longing for unity.

    Who says? On what do they base this statement which a majority who read it will take as being an unquestionable fact?

Everywhere large numbers have felt the impulse of this grace,

    So all of a sudden "everywhere" "large numbers" have felt the impulse of this grace? So right off the bat, one novel statement after another is made to prepare us for the upcoming novelty that encourages Catholics to worship with heretics.

and among our separated brethren also there increases from day to day the movement, fostered by the grace of the Holy Spirit, for the restoration of unity among all Christians.

    How do we know that, day by day, there is a movement among the heretics for the restoration of unity among all Christians? What sort of movement is it?

This movement toward unity is called "ecuмenical."

    Are you feeling prepared to embrace whatever novelty comes along now?

Those belong to it

    (the movement – the ecuмenical movement) So out of the blue, for the first time in the history of Eternal Rome we are called to embrace the ecuмenical movement? Have you noticed, (apart from 1. Cf. 1 Corinthians 1: 13 which I challenge all to read and see for yourself how it fits with the "point" this docuмent is trying to get across. Take it from me, use your brain, if you really want to wise up to what is going on) how they are not even able to fabricate a quote from the authentic Church yet to base all this novelty on? But these sly devils will! Never put anything past them.

who invoke the Triune God and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior, doing this not merely as individuals but also as corporate bodies.

    Heretics who invoke the Triune God are not merely individuals but corporate bodies – what is a corporate body? Some sort of business? Is it good to be a corporate body? Perhaps being a corporate body is a step above being a heretic and a step below being the one, true Church. Notice they have not mentioned the word Catholic yet.

For almost everyone regards the body in which he has heard the Gospel as his Church and indeed, God's Church.

    So almost everyone thinks of the Church they go to as being their Church and God's Church. Wow! What an interesting piece of information that is.

All however, though in different ways, long for the one visible Church of God,

    Come on! Call it the Catholic Church!

a Church truly universal and set forth into the world that the world may be converted to the Gospel and so be saved, to the glory of God.

    They do? I hope they are aware of this.

The Sacred Council

    The new anti-Catholic Church!

gladly notes all this. It has already declared its teaching on the Church, and now, moved by a desire for the restoration of unity among all the followers of Christ,

    So heretics are followers of Christ. Could they explain how this is so?

it wishes to set before all Catholics the ways and means by which they too can respond to this grace and to this divine call.

    So the heretics are doing their part and we too can respond to this grace as the heretics are. Compare that to the following (in bold are the words you will not see in any docuмent of V2 or after from New Church:

    QUANTA CURA (Condemning Current Errors) Pope Pius IX
        With how great care and pastoral vigilance the Roman Pontiffs, our predecessors, fulfilling the duty and office committed to them by the Lord Christ Himself in the person of most Blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, of feeding the lambs and the sheep, have never ceased sedulously to nourish the Lord's whole flock with words of faith and with salutary doctrine, and to guard it from poisoned pastures, is thoroughly known to all, and especially to you, Venerable Brethren. And truly the same, Our Predecessors, asserters of justice, being especially anxious for the salvation of souls, had nothing ever more at heart than by their most wise Letters and Constitutions to unveil and condemn all those heresies and errors which, being adverse to our Divine Faith, to the doctrine of the Catholic Church, to purity of morals, and to the eternal salvation of men, have frequently excited violent tempests, and have miserably afflicted both Church and State. For which cause the same Our Predecessors, have, with Apostolic fortitude, constantly resisted the nefarious enterprises of wicked men, who, like raging waves of the sea foaming out their own confusion, and promising liberty whereas they are the slaves of corruption, have striven by their deceptive opinions and most pernicious writings to raze the foundations of the Catholic religion and of civil society, to remove from among men all virtue and justice, to deprave persons, and especially inexperienced youth, to lead it into the snares of error, and at length to tear it from the bosom of the Catholic Church.

CHAPTER I
CATHOLIC PRINCIPLES ON EcuмENISM

       First of all, the word "Catholic" in the title of Chapter I as they use it here should be put in quotes for it truly does not represent true Catholicism.

        What follows in section 2 is a dose of Catholicism that reassures the conservatives that the docuмent is not about to go heretical on us as it seemed to be doing. In order to keep this installment as brief as possible and for the sake of my own constitution, I will eliminate it in that no comments need to be made but for those thirsting for something unambiguous after 1958 please refer to this section. How I would prefer that there was only one questionable section instead of only one orthodox one.

        Skipping ahead to section 3, they start up with the novelties again. It is as if Satan himself wrote this docuмent as he lies with many truths and uses slight errors to lead to bigger and bigger errors that the un-leery read will not notice.

3. Even in the beginnings of this one and only Church of God there arose certain rifts,(19 Cf. 1 Cor. 11, 18-19; Gal. 1, 6-9; 1 Jn. 2, 18-19) which the Apostle strongly condemned.(20 Cf. 1 Cor. 1, 11 sqq; 11, 22) But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions made their appearance and quite large communities came to be separated from full communion with the Catholic Church-for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame. The children who are born into these Communities and who grow up believing in Christ cannot be accused of the sin involved in the separation, and the Catholic Church embraces upon them as brothers, with respect and affection. For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. The differences that exist in varying degrees between them and the Catholic Church-whether in doctrine and sometimes in discipline, or concerning the structure of the Church-do indeed create many obstacles, sometimes serious ones, to full ecclesiastical communion. The ecuмenical movement is striving to overcome these obstacles.

    By turning the Catholic Church into something else. I am not trying to be funny here. This is what they truly did and by they I mean the "popes" on down.

But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body,(21 Cf. CONC. FLORENTINUM, Sess. VIII (1439), Decretum Exultate Deo: Mansi 31, 1055 A) and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.(22 Cf. S. AUGUSTINUS, In Ps. 32, Enarr. 11, 29: PL 36, 299)

Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church:

    No quotes from previous Popes or Councils here.

the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ.

The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation.

    No quotes from previous Popes or Councils here either. I wonder why that is.

It follows that the separated Churches(23 Cf. CONC. LATERANENSE IV (1215) Constitutio IV: Mansi 22, 990; CONC. LUGDUNENSE II (1274), Professio fidei Michaelis Palaeologi: Mansi 24, 71 E; CONC. FLORENTINUM, Sess. VI (1439), Definitio Laetentur caeli: Mansi 31, 1026 E) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation

    So the heretical Church which the true popes say lead to damnation is also means of salvation!

which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities

    Or corporate bodies whatever that is supposed to mean.

and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life-that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation

    So the Catholic Church is the "all-embracing means of salvation." So why go to all the bother to accommodate the heretics?

that they can benefit fully

    and the heretical Churches that lead to both damnation and salvation are salvific but not all-embracing I suppose and since they do not benefit fully from their Church's they only partially go to Heaven?

from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God

    This phrase "people of God" and other novel phrases like it were red flags that such terms would be used more and more in future docuмents and the word "Catholic" would be used less and less in future docuмents. We can see in retrospect how insidiously clever they were.

This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.

    Compare that again to Pope Pius IX's undeniable, clear words where in bold are the words you will not see in any docuмent of V2 or after from New Church:

QUANTA CURA (Condemning Current Errors) Pope Pius IX

    2. But now, as is well known to you, Venerable Brethren, already, scarcely had we been elevated to this Chair of Peter (by the hidden counsel of Divine Providence, certainly by no merit of our own), when, seeing with the greatest grief of Our soul a truly awful storm excited by so many evil opinions, and (seeing also) the most grievous calamities never sufficiently to be deplored which overspread the Christian people from so many errors, according to the duty of Our Apostolic Ministry, and following the illustrious example of Our Predecessors, We raised Our voice, and in many published Encyclical Letters and Allocutions delivered in Consistory, and other Apostolic Letters, we condemned the chief errors of this most unhappy age, and we excited your admirable episcopal vigilance, and we again and again admonished and exhorted all sons of the Catholic Church, to us most dear, that they should altogether abhor and flee from the contagion of so dire a pestilence. And especially in our first Encyclical Letter written to you on 9 November 1846, and in two Allocutions delivered by us in Consistory, the one on 9 December 1854, and the other on 9 June 1862, we condemned the monstrous portents of opinion which prevail especially in this age, bringing with them the greatest loss of souls and detriment of civil society itself; which are grievously opposed also, not only to the Catholic Church and her salutary doctrine and venerable rights, but also to the eternal natural law engraven by God in all men's hearts, and to right reason; and from which almost all other errors have their origin.

I ask the readers' pardon, but in rereading those last words of inspiration from a true shepherd I am just about ready to gag in comparing to the abominable Vatican II decree. Thus before I continue tomorrow with number 4 of Chapter I - "Catholic Principles on Ecuмenism", I must settle my stomach and clear my mind. The stench from these conciliarists is too much right now. Until tomorrow, I ah, excuse me...something is coming up.

    Well, looks like we'll have to spread this out over the next few days because dear Professor Barfmen can only take so much. Hopefully he'll get back to the guts of Unitatis Redintegratio - or was that a poor choice of words?

John Gregory


            "Catholics who remain faithful to Tradition, even if they are reduced to but a handful, they are THE TRUE CHURCH"
            Saint Athanasius, "Apostle of Tradition" AD 373

It follows that the separated Churches(23 Cf. CONC. LATERANENSE IV (1215) Constitutio IV: Mansi 22, 990; CONC. LUGDUNENSE II (1274), Professio fidei Michaelis Palaeologi: Mansi 24, 71 E; CONC. FLORENTINUM, Sess. VI (1439), Definitio Laetentur caeli: Mansi 31, 1026 E) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation

    So the heretical Church which the true popes say lead to damnation is also means of salvation.

A single soul which is saved and not lost is both significant and important.  Do you agree?  Consider this scenario:

1)  An infant receives a valid sacramental Baptism by a Lutheran minister in a Lutheran church (small 'c').

2)  The following week the infant dies.

Does that infant go to Heaven as opposed to Limbo?  If so, is such "significant and important"?

Good article LOT.

In his opening paragraph on the "The Decree on Ecuмenism: Unitatis Redintegratio" Fr. Wathen says this:

We said above that it is not important what the wording of the decrees is, since no one bothers to read them anymore-something totally unsurprising, since they were not meant to be read, only generically referred to. Nevertheless, it is in the wording of two decrees that we find the subtle poison which has by now brought the Church to its present lassitude.

Thank you Stubborn.  The errors which led to the heresy were going on for more than a century before the death of Pius XII.  Such errors described the Church as being broader than the infallible definition and described membership in that Church as being broader than, one who partakes of the Sacraments, professes the faith and submits to legitimate ecclesiastical authorities.

An additional error was the claim that one could be an actual member of the Church by desiring to be a member.  But this is illogical on its face as one cannot desire something which one has already obtained.  

Another error was that the Dogma, No Salvation Outside the Church, was by necessity of precept rather than by necessity of means, and or that this was the "ideal" but had exceptions.

The fruition of all this led to what was officially promulgated by the "Church" in Lumen Gentium in 1964 and the resultant chaos that exploded around us since.

Quote from: Jehanne

Quote from: Lover of Truth

It follows that the separated Churches(23 Cf. CONC. LATERANENSE IV (1215) Constitutio IV: Mansi 22, 990; CONC. LUGDUNENSE II (1274), Professio fidei Michaelis Palaeologi: Mansi 24, 71 E; CONC. FLORENTINUM, Sess. VI (1439), Definitio Laetentur caeli: Mansi 31, 1026 E) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation

    So the heretical Church which the true popes say lead to damnation is also means of salvation.

A single soul which is saved and not lost is both significant and important.  Do you agree?  Consider this scenario:

1)  An infant receives a valid sacramental Baptism by a Lutheran minister in a Lutheran church (small 'c').

2)  The following week the infant dies.

Does that infant go to Heaven as opposed to Limbo?  If so, is such "significant and important"?

How one soul will spend eternity is both significant and important.

The infant, if validly baptized, goes to heaven.

If you agree, then what Unitatis Redintegratio stated must be true.  A valid Baptism received by an infant, even if it is performed by a heretic, is both significant and important.

I have made a promise to myself not to get into debates here.  But I will leave with the response:

Do you believe a valid Baptism does not cleanse the soul of Original Sin?

If not, why not?

Are you addressing that question to me?  If so, do you think that I am a heretic?  Of course, a valid Baptism, for an infant, always cleanses the soul of original sin.

A sacramental Baptism by a Lutheran heretic would not give an infant canonical standing within the Catholic Church, and if that baby dies a week after their Baptism, they could not receive a Mass of Christian Burial.  Clearly, however, such an infant would be joined to the Catholic Church, outside of which no one at all will be saved.

Quote from: Jehanne

A sacramental Baptism by a Lutheran heretic would not give an infant canonical standing within the Catholic Church, and if that baby dies a week after their Baptism, they could not receive a Mass of Christian Burial.  Clearly, however, such an infant would be joined to the Catholic Church, outside of which no one at all will be saved.

Can you explain how this makes "Unitatis Redintegratio" correct?

Because Protestants have at least two valid Sacraments, Baptism and Matrimony.  Baptism is "significant and important" in that, for infants at least, such provides a pathway to eternal life.

Unitatis Redintegratio may have been phrased poorly but such does not make the docuмent heretical.  Here is the pertinent part of the passage which you quoted:

have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation.

As you agree, a single infant going to Heaven as opposed to eternal Hell is both "significant and important," hence, the passage from UR is not heretical even if it is poorly phrased.  One way to look at Vatican II, especially when the Council is speaking about non-Catholics, is to ask, "Is the glass half-empty or half-full?"  Or, is it a quarter-full?  An eighth?  Sixteenth?

I hope that you see my point here.  The "turn or burn" mentality of the pre-Vatican II days is not going to convince many to become Catholic; it's only going to please the "home crowd."  A new approach may be needed; the Pope can always "pull the rug out" whenever he wants to.