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« on: April 02, 2014, 11:19:23 AM »
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  • Find this quote in this book Communicatio in Sacris Book



    CMRI Mark A. Pivarunas said:

    “He didn’t touch me, but he was definitely sɛҳuąƖly
    abusing seminarians, usually at his private residence in Spokane,
    and he was also taking a lot of drugs. His immorality was scandalous, but I
    continued to regard him as my legitimate bishop.”

    Taken from the book The Smoke of Satan, by Michael Cuneo, Published by
    Oxford University Press 1997, p. 108.


    In this heretical group there were young boys too as Seminarians. NOW! whether this really happened or NOT (sex scandals and drugs) we don't really know except that CMRI Pivarunas says it happened.

     Furthermore, funny that he NEVER condemned this Bishop Schuckardt before, during, and not till much after these so-called (?) scandals. Shame on Pivarunas!

    To imagine Pivarunas could allow such a thing to go on KNOWINGLY (if this truly happened) is an outrage!!!!


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    « Reply #1 on: April 02, 2014, 11:30:40 AM »
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  • This trash merits no other response: I wouldn't buy your piece of garbage book if it were one cent. Get a real job.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 02, 2014, 11:34:56 AM »
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  • Immorality per se of course does not depose someone from whatever office they hold, except that Schuckhart was never a "legitimate bishop" in any canonical sense whatsoever.

    It's very clear that there was some cult-like behavior in the CMRI in the Schuckhart days and a lot of them were brainwashed to an extent and as a result put up with this.  I suspect that some of these people were damaged by it in a lot of ways.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 02, 2014, 11:52:15 AM »
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  • I have a question: Does the CMRI have a legitimate and valid bishop now? or how to the they go about apostolic succession for Sacraments dispensation?
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2014, 12:09:10 PM »
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  • Mark Pivarunas was consecrated through the Thuc line, which I consider valid (at least in the des Lauriers, Carmona, Zamora lines ... some of the others being a bit more foggy), but which some dispute.

    They're not "legitimate" in any normal canonical juridical sense, but their standing would depend on one's understanding that they're operating in a state of emergency in the Church.  I do think that there's something to be said for Bishop Thuc's unrevoked mandate to consecrate without permission from Rome according to his best judgment ... but I'm not exactly sure HOW it fits in.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2014, 12:12:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    I have a question: Does the CMRI have a legitimate and valid bishop now? or how to the they go about apostolic succession for Sacraments dispensation?


    Yes, when they broke free from Shukhardt and did an overhaul, they were able to straighten the whole bishop and ordination mess out. The lines are very simple and clean which come from Abp. Thuc. They are extremely open regarding any of these matters. I've talked to clergy, religious, and lay people who grew up and lived during that ordeal. Those families, just regarding the drive to keep the faith in the 70s, were absolutely amazing, even if they were temporarily duped. It was out of many of those families from which they had vocations. Amazing and edifying stories.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 01:20:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Mark Pivarunas was consecrated through the Thuc line, which I consider valid (at least in the des Lauriers, Carmona, Zamora lines ... some of the others being a bit more foggy), but which some dispute.

    They're not "legitimate" in any normal canonical juridical sense, but their standing would depend on one's understanding that they're operating in a state of emergency in the Church.  I do think that there's something to be said for Bishop Thuc's unrevoked mandate to consecrate without permission from Rome according to his best judgment ... but I'm not exactly sure HOW it fits in.


    It fits perfectly since the mandate was planned by God, since He knows all things.  
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    « Reply #7 on: April 02, 2014, 01:47:04 PM »
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  • The fact that Francis Schuckardt was the founder, should signal from its provenance that there is something wrong with CMRI.

       

    Job 34:30


    Who maketh a man that is a hypocrite to reign for the sins of the people?


    From the Mystical City of God - The Victory of Christ over hell.


    "Acting upon this counsel they (the demons) redistributed the spheres of work among themselves, in order that each squadron of demons might, with a specialized astuteness tempt men to different vices. They resolved to continue to propagate idolatry in the world, so that men might not come to the knowledge of the true God and the Redemption. Wherever idolatry would fail, they concluded to establish sects and heresies, for which they would select the most perverse and depraved of the human race as leaders and teachers of error. Then and there was concocted among these malignant spirits the sect of Mahomet, the heresies of Arius, Pelagius, Nestorius, and whatever other heresies have been started in the world from the first ages of the Church until now, together with those which they have in readiness, but which it is neither necessary nor proper to mention here. Lucifer showed himself content with these infernal counsels as being opposed to divine truth and destructive of the very foundation of man’s rescue, namely divine faith. He lavished flattering praise and high offices upon those demons, who showed themselves willing and who undertook to find the impious originators of these errors."


    http://www.ecatholic2000.com/agreda/mystical/city.shtml




    Not exactly Archbishop Lefebvre!!




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    « Reply #8 on: April 02, 2014, 02:23:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: andysloan
    The fact that Francis Schuckardt was the founder, should signal from its provenance that there is something wrong with CMRI.


    Non sequitur
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    « Reply #9 on: April 02, 2014, 02:26:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie
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    The fact that Francis Schuckardt was the founder, should signal from its provenance that there is something wrong with CMRI.


    Non sequitur


    Exactly. The same thing could be said for the Church of Montini.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #10 on: April 02, 2014, 02:37:51 PM »
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  • It is not a non sequitur.


    The CMRI is a sect and those who adhere to it should wake up!




    “But this authority, although it be given to a man, and though it be exercised by a man, is not a human but a Divine power given by divine word of mouth to Peter and confirmed to Peter and to his successors by Christ himself, whom Peter confessed, even him whom Christ called the Rock.”

     “Furthermore, that every human creature is subject to the Roman pontiff, — this we declare, say, define, and pronounce to be altogether necessary to salvation.” Pope Boniface VIII: - (Unam Sanctam)



    “That which our Lord Jesus Christ, the Prince of shepherds and great Shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the Church, must of necessity remain forever, by Christ’s authority, in the Church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time.”

    First Vatican Council: (First Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ, chapter 2.)



    1 Peter 2:1

    "even as there shall be among you lying teachers, who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction."


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    « Reply #11 on: April 02, 2014, 06:03:01 PM »
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    The fact that Francis Schuckardt was the founder, should signal from its provenance that there is something wrong with CMRI.
       




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    « Reply #12 on: April 02, 2014, 06:47:19 PM »
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  • Yes, but not the CMRI!





    On June 3, 1984, Rev. Chicoine made several public charges from the pulpit against Bishop Schuckardt, related in a Spokesman Review article on August 26, 1984.

    The newspaper article cited Chicoine's claims: "After we re-obtained possession of the Priory, and started to go through the boxes of mail that had been accuмulated over the years and simply stacked in corners we found a large amount of cash and over $15,000 in out-of-date uncashed checks." "For the past several years several things in the Community have been in complete and utter chaos." and that "The vast majority of chaos is caused by Bishop Schuckardt's inability to physically function" due to pain, lack of sleep, and medications.

    "Chicoine has also charged that Schuckardt was sɛҳuąƖly involved with some of his male assistants. He said he has several sworn statements." The article quotes Chicoine: "I have in my possession sworn statements by several persons whom Bishop Schuckardt told personally that he was the Pope. These persons were told not to tell myself or other priests and clerics since we did not have the grace to accept it."

    Schuckardt left his Spokane mansion within days after Chicoine made his accusations public. Chicoine found that he had the backing of the vast majority of the religious and laity alike, and took charge of the Fatima Crusade.


       

    John 10:13


    And the hireling flieth, because he is a hireling: and he hath no care for the sheep.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 02, 2014, 06:56:47 PM »
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    Yes, but not the CMRI!





    On June 3, 1984, Rev. Chicoine made several public charges from the pulpit against Bishop Schuckardt, related in a Spokesman Review article on August 26, 1984.

    The newspaper article cited Chicoine's claims: "After we re-obtained possession of the Priory, and started to go through the boxes of mail that had been accuмulated over the years and simply stacked in corners we found a large amount of cash and over $15,000 in out-of-date uncashed checks." "For the past several years several things in the Community have been in complete and utter chaos." and that "The vast majority of chaos is caused by Bishop Schuckardt's inability to physically function" due to pain, lack of sleep, and medications.

    "Chicoine has also charged that Schuckardt was sɛҳuąƖly involved with some of his male assistants. He said he has several sworn statements." The article quotes Chicoine: "I have in my possession sworn statements by several persons whom Bishop Schuckardt told personally that he was the Pope. These persons were told not to tell myself or other priests and clerics since we did not have the grace to accept it."

    Schuckardt left his Spokane mansion within days after Chicoine made his accusations public. Chicoine found that he had the backing of the vast majority of the religious and laity alike, and took charge of the Fatima Crusade.


       

    John 10:13


    And the hireling flieth, because he is a hireling: and he hath no care for the sheep.


    You are only telling the CI readers the part of the story that fits with your agenda.  
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #14 on: April 02, 2014, 07:01:49 PM »
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  • To Ambrose


    You are making light of this part of the story because it doesn't fit with your conviction!


    What is a man like you, seemingly of otherwise good sense, doing being associated with an organisation with this provenance?