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Offline Merry

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CMRI and Natural Family Planning
« on: August 18, 2017, 02:41:11 PM »
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    • Is the CMRI for or against Natural Family Planning - you know, contraception?
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #1 on: August 18, 2017, 02:57:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on August 18, 2017, 02:41:11 PM
    Is the CMRI for or against Natural Family Planning - you know, contraception?
    Don't know of any org with valid clergy claiming to be Catholic that aren't pro-NFP, incl. the CMRI.
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #2 on: August 18, 2017, 03:12:19 PM »
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #3 on: August 18, 2017, 03:17:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on August 18, 2017, 03:12:19 PM
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #4 on: August 18, 2017, 06:40:07 PM »
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    • The CMRI has an article on their website on this issue.  Anyone can see what the official CMRI position on the matter here:

    http://www.cmri.org/03-nfp.html

    It turns out that the position of the CMRI is the position of the Catholic Church.
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #5 on: August 18, 2017, 06:52:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 18, 2017, 02:57:24 PM
    Don't know of any org with valid clergy claiming to be Catholic that aren't pro-NFP, incl. the CMRI.

    I was worried you were a part of CMRI,  Thank you Lord!
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #6 on: August 18, 2017, 06:53:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on August 18, 2017, 02:41:11 PM
    Is the CMRI for or against Natural Family Planning - you know, contraception?
    Is it okay with you if Natural Family Planning is used in order to conceive a child?
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #7 on: August 18, 2017, 08:06:49 PM »
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    • Besides the moral issues with NFP, there are the myriad of definitions of it, which makes any discussion super complicated.  It's like asking someone to define 'conservative' - you'll get a different answer per person (sometime multiple answers).  So people can hide behind the idea that NFP can be used for "good", when in fact, the original intention of NFP was NOT to have children.  This is why it's wrong.

    It's like telling someone that getting high on drugs is wrong and they respond "But, I used morphine in the hospital after I had surgery.  See?  Drugs aren't bad."  :fryingpan:
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #8 on: August 18, 2017, 08:12:21 PM »
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    • Serious reason, is understood.
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #9 on: August 18, 2017, 09:00:51 PM »
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    • As far as I know the  only traditional catholic priest to deny NFP in any form was Fr Wathen.  

    There might be others out there but they all just go with the prey V-2 narrative.  

    Although Cardinal Ottaviani apparently did not like NFP too. 
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #10 on: August 18, 2017, 09:42:08 PM »
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    • From what I understand, it used to be that if a couple had a 'serious' reason for using the rhythm method, they HAD to get their diocesan priest's permission, which required a discussion of the situation so that the priest could determine how 'serious' the reason was.  If permission was granted, it was then determined "for how long?" because the Church never intended this to be a long term permission, but only for emergencies.

    Nowadays, the rhythm method has turned into the full-blown, immoral, "NFP lifestyle" choice by the couple, with no permission from the priest required, and no obligation to God for their actions, and no intention of ever stopping.  The exception has, literally, become the rule.  May God have mercy on those couples who think they are blameless "because the Church said it was ok".
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #11 on: August 19, 2017, 03:51:08 AM »
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    • Question asked, and answered. Why are we all still "talking"?
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #12 on: August 19, 2017, 05:07:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: MyrnaM on August 18, 2017, 06:53:23 PM
    Is it okay with you if Natural Family Planning is used in order to conceive a child?
    Why would it be wrong?
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #13 on: August 19, 2017, 04:58:16 PM »
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    • I don't think Myrna doubts the benefit of using NFP to help conceive. I think the question is a rhetorical one. People here like to paint NFP as an evil, which it is not. Knowlege of how our bodies work and using that knowledge for good is moral. 
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    Re: CMRI and Natural Family Planning
    « Reply #14 on: August 19, 2017, 07:29:22 PM »
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    • Nadir: It's all about the husband's and wife's intention. If they are using the infertile time for the marriage right exclusively--then it is sinful because their intention is to enjoy the pleasures but trying to avoid the first and primary purpose of marriage, which is procreation. 
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