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It was Jim Gebel who was upset about the Schiavo affair 7 years ago.  

The Schiavo case was only used later to add to the weak arguments.  She died in 2005.

And you also "got upset," to put it mildly, over Schiavo in 2005. Was there a "gutter accusation" driving your indignation?

Of course not.  Been to Confession lately?

Exactly. Your indignation was because of Fr. Cekada's very public actions, not because of "gutter accusations."

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On the first Cloaks and Daggers thread, remember, SJB rebuked us for daring to offer evidence, observations or opinions about St. Clare's because HE was in Columbus and we weren't, HE had first-hand knowledge and we didn't, etc. etc.

No, you offered no evidence and your opinion was contradicted by the facts. Nobody stopped you from offering your opinion, I merely pointed out why it wasn't worthy of any weight.

Since by your own admission you regularly went to a church 100 miles away from SGG, how can you offer any "evidence" or "facts" at all about SGG "fires," losing members, the "Walton KY scandal" (?), attitudes over the Schiavo case, or anything else there? All you've got is gossip to go on.

That being the case, can I merely point out that any opinion you offer about doings at SGG will therefore not be "worthy of any weight"?

We lost quite a few people about five years ago over Feeneyism (The Walton KY Scandal) and again about two years ago over the Fr. Ramolla business, but we're back up to a solid 300 per Sunday now, with more on major feasts.

All of the trad groups in the greater Cincinnati area originated with us in one way or another. If we'd originally set up parish membership like multi-level marketing, I'd be spending my time these days looking at brochures for million-dollar pipe organs.

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The move to West Chester also lost many. How do I know that? Bp. Dolan told me.

You really are lame Ceknute. I said your opinion was contradicted by the facts, which is key.

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First you must have a fire! No, there was no fire in 2005.

There have been many "fires" prior to (and after) 2005. The move to West Chester lost a large number of "parishioners," the Walton, KY scandal also lost some. Then came the big and very public Schiavo gaffe and then continued defense of the gaffe.

We know; you were one of the defenders until you decided that the Schiavo affair worked in the interest of the Cabal.

Well, I wasn't a defender. I actually respectfully confronted Fr. Cekada in public. We've been through all of this before.  

It is indeed a pity that your public confrontations regarding Fr. Cekada have not remained in the respectful category all these many past months, isn't it?

What is truly unfortunate is the fact that Fr. Cekada won't honestly address any issue one-on-one and instead resorts to dishonest quidlibet articles or uses Simple Catholic laymen to fight his battles.

I've said this before, but I don't believe Fr. Cekada is a man of good will.

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On the first Cloaks and Daggers thread, remember, SJB rebuked us for daring to offer evidence, observations or opinions about St. Clare's because HE was in Columbus and we weren't, HE had first-hand knowledge and we didn't, etc. etc.

No, you offered no evidence and your opinion was contradicted by the facts. Nobody stopped you from offering your opinion, I merely pointed out why it wasn't worthy of any weight.

Since by your own admission you regularly went to a church 100 miles away from SGG, how can you offer any "evidence" or "facts" at all about SGG "fires," losing members, the "Walton KY scandal" (?), attitudes over the Schiavo case, or anything else there? All you've got is gossip to go on.

That being the case, can I merely point out that any opinion you offer about doings at SGG will therefore not be "worthy of any weight"?

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We lost quite a few people about five years ago over Feeneyism (The Walton KY Scandal) and again about two years ago over the Fr. Ramolla business, but we're back up to a solid 300 per Sunday now, with more on major feasts.

All of the trad groups in the greater Cincinnati area originated with us in one way or another. If we'd originally set up parish membership like multi-level marketing, I'd be spending my time these days looking at brochures for million-dollar pipe organs.

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The move to West Chester also lost many. How do I know that? Bp. Dolan told me.

You really are lame Ceknute. I said your opinion was contradicted by the facts, which is key.

But why should we believe what you claim Bishop Dolan or Fr. Cekada "told" you or "meant" because you dismiss anything they say (you called Fr. Cekada a liar in one of your earlier statements, remember?) that undermines your attacks against them?

But that's just a rhetorical question.

The real question is for Inside Baseball: Can we somehow sign up SJB for a gift membership in an SSPX chapel? Walton would be fine, but Timbkuktu would be better. A lot of people here might be willing to chip in on his shipping costs, too!
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SJB did you ever consider going to the sspx.  Their churches are not owned by the "priest in charge" and the people there are regular folks. Not as many clicks.  Don't let some theologian box you in their little world.  Anyways the sspx seem to always grow anytime the west chester/Florida crowd makes any personal or management decisions.  Dale Carnegie anyone!

There isn't an SSPX mass here so that's not an issue.

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But why should we believe what you claim Bishop Dolan or Fr. Cekada "told" you or "meant" because you dismiss anything they say (you called Fr. Cekada a liar in one of your earlier statements, remember?) that undermines your attacks against them?

You don't have to believe me. I know what Bp. Dolan told me and it was known by many anyway. The fact was they lost people when they sold Sharonville and moved to West Chester, no matter what reason one assigns to it.

See, Ceknute, one needn't believe one who tells one lie therefore lies about everything. That only occurs in your overly simplistic black and white world, which is likely why you are a dogmatic sedevacantist.  

And from this we deduce the next SJB Rule of Evidence: :judge:

If one of your targets makes a statement that can be twisted for use against him, it's true. If it can be used to defend him or explain his actions as reasonable, it's false!

Sounds pretty dogmatic to me!  

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But why should we believe what you claim Bishop Dolan or Fr. Cekada "told" you or "meant" because you dismiss anything they say (you called Fr. Cekada a liar in one of your earlier statements, remember?) that undermines your attacks against them?

You don't have to believe me. I know what Bp. Dolan told me and it was known by many anyway. The fact was they lost people when they sold Sharonville and moved to West Chester, no matter what reason one assigns to it.

See, Ceknute, one needn't believe one who tells one lie therefore lies about everything. That only occurs in your overly simplistic black and white world, which is likely why you are a dogmatic sedevacantist.  

And from this we deduce the next SJB Rule of Evidence: :judge:

If one of your targets makes a statement that can be twisted for use against him, it's true. If it can be used to defend him or explain his actions as reasonable, it's false!

Sounds pretty dogmatic to me!  

The statement needn't be "twisted" because it is simply a statement of fact. A significant number of people left SGG when they moved to West Chester. Fr. Cekada freely admits people left over "feeneyism" and the "Fr. Ramolla business." On Fisheater's Forum, he failed to mention Schiavo, but the facts are that SGG lost even more people.

Ceknute, are you denying these facts?

We lost quite a few people about five years ago over Feeneyism and again about two years ago over the Fr. Ramolla business, but we're back up to a solid 300 per Sunday now, with more on major feasts.

All of the trad groups in the greater Cincinnati area originated with us in one way or another. If we'd originally set up parish membership like multi-level marketing, I'd be spending my time these days looking at brochures for million-dollar pipe organs.

Hey Ceknute, I guess when you kick somebody out and change the locks yet another trad group is formed in SW Ohio.