Gerry Matatics was on a Protestant radio broadcast (Iron Sharpens Iron) Aug. 8th and 9th to explain the position that the Novus Ordo is not the Catholic Church and the See of Peter is currently vacant. The program on the 8th allowed him to give a general overview to the audience with a few questions from the host and the program on the 9th featured Matatics, another local Protestant and Dr. James White (also Prot). Matatics has debated Dr. White many times in the past. Because of long introductions and frequent station breaks there was not a whole lot of time to discuss the issues. That being said, the information that Matatics does get to present is very good and I believe is very informative concerning the sedevacantist position. Another interesting point is that the Protestants even help to legitimize the position and in doing show the absurdity of the Novus Ordo apologists and (indirectly) those pseudo-traditionalists who "recognize and resist". The Protestant guests clearly see that the Novus Ordo position is indefensible because if the Novus Ordo is the Church it would mean that the Church has changed its position on several fundamental dogmas and in doing so would have defected.

Note: If you want to listen to the files click the links below. I would recommend downloading the files to your computer first and then playing them from the hard-drive. To do this right-click on the links below and click "save target as". Browse in the window that opens to where you want the file saved. I recommend saving the files to your desktop so they are easily located. Or just click on the link:).

The first part on the 8th featuring Matatics giving an overview of Sedevacantism:

http://mp3.aomin.org/ISI/20070808ISI.mp3

The second part on the 9th featuring Matatics discussing the issue of Sedevacantism with Protestant guests:

http://mp3.aomin.org/ISI/20070809ISI.mp3