Author Topic: Classiccom (Read 2103 times)

CM · « **on:** July 27, 2009, 11:01:02 PM »

How do you even know which doctrines are true and which are false?

If you reject "Club Infallible", then what is to stop you from arbitrarily picking and choosing (as Caminus falsely accuses me) your doctrines?

Why would God, who is infallible, come to earth and die to establish a Church, promise to teach all truth through Her, specifically give St. Peter the keys, pray for him to have an unfailing faith and three times admonish him to feed the flock- only to allow doctrinal teachings to be subject to the corruption of our fallen nature?

Do you deny that St. Peter himself was given the gift of infallibility in defining the faith? Do you assert that it was given to all the Apostles, but that their successors would not inherit it? How does the Church have the Holy Ghost, if not in Her Solemn Magisterium?

Who can you trust to be the interpreter of Scripture? Yourself? The Holy Ghost, speaking to your conscience? Is there some way that you know that YOUR doctrines are correct, when so many other Protestant denominations (among which is your "Old Catholic Church") claim the same thing, despite contrary doctrines?

Do you deny that the Church is Divinely instituted? It would seem yes, because this is the only way that your position, that popes are incapable of speaking infallibly on matters of faith and morals, could make any sense, and then what is your faith based on?

Classiccom · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2009, 06:51:09 AM »

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How do you even know which doctrines are true and which are false?

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The only one is infallibility. All men are human and should be subject to correction. I do believe in the Keys of Authority, but all authority is subject to God's law. Jesus gave these keys to Peter and the immediate next passage in scripture Jesus said "get behind me Satan". Peter in effect denied the way of the cross for Jesus. Peter was corrected. The current occupant of the Papal chair, in a similar fashion, does not want to confront the world with Christ's gospel, but seeks accomodation in order to avoid persecution by the Satanic world power structure.

Everybody except trads understand that power corrupts, absolute power ...
you know the story. Sporting a triple tier gold tiera and the regal garb does not honor Jesus. From the world's greatest palace they issue long winded proclamations that the flock do not read. Jesus walked barefoot through the neighborhoods speaking to the common man in a language they could understand. What a contrast to Club Infallible.

The Church is under judgment. Pope Leo XIII understood

http://vitwilderness.blogspot.com/2007/04/prophetic-vision.html

The real estate three most important things - location, location, location. If Jesus ever preached a slogan, I think it would be : humility, humility , humility. Club Infallible has yet to comprehend.

CM · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2009, 09:34:03 AM »

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All men are human and should be subject to correction. I do believe in the Keys of Authority, but all authority is subject to God's law. Jesus gave these keys to Peter and the immediate next passage in scripture Jesus said "get behind me Satan". Peter in effect denied the way of the cross for Jesus. Peter was corrected.

Yes. St. Peter's faith failed him at that point- he failed to believe everything that God said. Was he infallible at that point? No. What about when St. Peter denied Chrsit three times? His faith failed him, plain and simple. Why is this not a problem for the dogma of infallibility?

St. Luke 22:31-32: "And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren."

Because St. Peter was not yet "converted" according to the Lord's words.

Furthermore, it makes absolutely no sense at all to recognize a man who preches an alien Gospel as the Vicar of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:8: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

So not only are Benedict XVI and his predecessors, beginning with Benedict XV, subject to correction, but these men are not even popes, as they are anathema, having preached a false Gospel.

trad123 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2009, 02:02:11 PM »

Denziger 109

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The Primacy and the Infallibility of the Roman Pontiff
[From the epistle (12) "Quamvis Patrum traditio" to the African bishops, March 21, 418]

Although the tradition of the Fathers has attributed such great authority to the Apostolic See that no one would dare to disagree wholly with its judgment, and it has always preserved this judgment by canons and rules, and current ecclesiastical discipline up to this time by its laws pays the reverence which is due to the name of PETER, from whom it has itself descended . . . ; since therefore PETER the head is of such great authority and he has confirmed the subsequent endeavors of all our ancestors, so that the Roman Church is fortified . . . by human as well as by divine laws, and it does not escape you that we rule its place and also hold power of the name itself, nevertheless you know, dearest brethren, and as priests you ought to know, although we have such great authority that no one can dare to retract from our decision, yet we have done nothing which we have not voluntarily referred to your notice by letters . . . not because we did not know what ought to be done, or would do anything which by going against the advantage of the Church, would be displeasing.

trad123 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2009, 02:05:54 PM »

Denziger 110

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ST. BONIFACE I 418-422
The Primacy and Infallibility of the Roman Pontiff *
[From the epistle (13) "Retro maioribus tuis" to Rufus, Bishop of Thessaly, March 11, 422]

. . . To the Synod [of Corinth]. . . . . we have directed such writings that all the brethren may know. . . . . that there must be no withdrawal from our judgment. For it has never been allowed that that be discussed again which has once been decided by the Apostolic See.

roscoe · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2009, 03:49:15 PM »

That is what gives Classicomm away as an obstinate heretic. Papal Infallibility has been around for almost 2K yrs in spite of his hopeless attempt to to portray it as a recent and objectionable action. Or the other hopeless fraud he pulls-- saying that somehow Pope Leo was 'not in communion' with 'club infallible'.

roscoe · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2009, 03:59:20 PM »

That is all Fr Feeney was doing when insisting on EENS-- proclaiming a doctrine that has previuosly existed and been Infallible.

CM · « **Reply #7 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:42:28 AM »

Quote from: !!!ROSCOE!!!

That is all Fr Feeney was doing when insisting on EENS-- proclaiming a doctrine that has previuosly existed and been Infallible.

:cool: :smile::dancing-banana: :boxer::boxer: :dancing-banana: :smile: :cool:

CM · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:58:40 AM »

Now publicly renounce baptism of desire and baptism of blood!

Now publicly renounce limbo of infants (just guessing that you believe in this one too, since most people do)!

Now wait for a valid canonical deposition of Boniface VIII (since all the other popes recognized him and since he was NOT a heretic, you will not be held accountable IF he was an antipope[which I seriously doubt anyway], since you could not know for sure)

Renounce all the 20th century antipopes from Benedict XV on, then read your written abjuration and profess the Faith before at least two witnesses, get 'em to sign it aaaaannnnndd.....

YOUR IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (according to the ancient practice of the Church for receiving converts from heresy or schism)!!!

Git 'er done!

CM · « **Reply #9 on:** July 29, 2009, 02:05:29 AM »

Obstinate heretics see the Catholic discipline of abjuration and IMMEDIATELY start making excuses as to why it's not necessary. -BALONEY.

It's more necessary now than ever.

Classiccom · « **Reply #10 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:00:12 AM »

S.S.G. - Scuм Sucking Gatekeepers

All legalism, no heart.

Sterile faith - no love, no power
(just like GM food)

always tears down the individual - just like Satan

Classiccom · « **Reply #11 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:22:52 AM »

S.S.G. 's - part II

Matthew 23 : 13

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for ye do not enter, nor do ye suffer those that are entering to go in.

roscoe · « **Reply #12 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:44:17 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Now publicly renounce baptism of desire and baptism of blood!

Now publicly renounce limbo of infants (just guessing that you believe in this one too, since most people do)!

Now wait for a valid canonical deposition of Boniface VIII (since all the other popes recognized him and since he was NOT a heretic, you will not be held accountable IF he was an antipope[which I seriously doubt anyway], since you could not know for sure)

Renounce all the 20th century antipopes from Benedict XV on, then read your written abjuration and profess the Faith before at least two witnesses, get 'em to sign it aaaaannnnndd.....

YOUR IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (according to the ancient practice of the Church for receiving converts from heresy or schism)!!!

Git 'er done!

Does anyone know if there is such a heresy as BA-- Baptism Alone?

trad123 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:56:06 PM »

roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** July 29, 2009, 02:20:53 PM »

Notice that Fr Feeney does not DENY BoD but simply says that it is wrong to put BoD or BoB 'side by side' with Baptism by Water. Ciao